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    Compulsory Education is Unconstitutional

    Amendment XIII, Section 1: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

    Amendment XIV, Section 1: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


    Prove me wrong. Is compulsory eduction not involuntary servitude? Have all children been convicted of a crime?

    I'm not trying to get out of school, after all I'm planning on going to college, which is optional. But compulsory education defeats the purpose of education.
    "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named Bush, Dick, and Colon. Need I say more?" - Chris Rock

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    It's not servitude, so it's not involuntary servitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrolyte
    It's not servitude, so it's not involuntary servitude.
    one of the definitions of servitude on dictionary.com is:

    "Lack of personal freedom, as to act as one chooses."

    Kids are forced to sit in a classroom, walk to the next, do homework outside of school, and even Constitutionally don't have as many rights while in school. How much more before it becomes servitude?

    BTW, I figure even if it isn't compulsory it will still have a lot of kids go since it's their parents' decision. Similarly look at college. It would become necessary to complete just like college to get a decent job anywhere.
    "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named Bush, Dick, and Colon. Need I say more?" - Chris Rock

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    the difference is that by the time you get to college you're generally more capable of thinking and planning ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachvac
    one of the definitions of servitude on dictionary.com is:

    "Lack of personal freedom, as to act as one chooses."
    So if I want to kill you, but I'm not allowed to, I am in servitude?

    Quote Originally Posted by zachvac
    Kids ... even Constitutionally don't have as many rights while in school.
    Kids have ridiculously few rights whether they're in or out of school.
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    You don't have to go to school. You could be home schooled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrolyte
    So if I want to kill you, but I'm not allowed to, I am in servitude?
    Nope, that is violating my right to life. Not attending school is hardly violating any rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by electrolyte
    Kids have ridiculously few rights whether they're in or out of school.
    Which by the 14th amendment, is unconstitutional
    "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named Bush, Dick, and Colon. Need I say more?" - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachvac
    Nope, that is violating my right to life. Not attending school is hardly violating any rights.
    An excellent point, but we are discussing the definition of "servitude." According to the definition you cited, I would be "in servitude," regardless of whatever rights I might be violating.

    Quote Originally Posted by zachvac
    Which by the 14th amendment, is unconstitutional
    Yes, see, I wasn't really disagreeing with you on this point. Really, more than just the 14th Amendment is involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Bennett
    the difference is that by the time you get to college you're generally more capable of thinking and planning ahead.
    Which is why the parents would still have the ultimate say, but if they and the kid don't want the kid to attend school, why make them?
    "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named Bush, Dick, and Colon. Need I say more?" - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachvac
    Which is why the parents would still have the ultimate say, but if they and the kid don't want the kid to attend school, why make them?
    Because some parents don't have the best interests of their children at heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Bennett
    Because some parents don't have the best interests of their children at heart.
    So we violate the Constitution? Most of our laws assume that they do have the best interests of the kids at heart, unless they are physically abusing them.
    "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named Bush, Dick, and Colon. Need I say more?" - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Bennett View Post
    the difference is that by the time you get to college you're generally more capable of thinking and planning ahead.

    Unlike the child whose immaturity prevents him from seeing the necessity of a good education.

    I used to have thoughts similar to what is posted here in the first thread. But, I gave them up when I got out of the 3rd grade.

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    Great debate, one that is needed today

    Some great comments.
    I would agree that compulsory education is about controlling the masses, and
    forcing people to accept the warped ideas of those in power.

    If you are interested, there is another debate going on here:



    riledup.com/debate/1647/public-education-mind-control-or-benefit-to-society


    you will need to add the http colon and two backslashes to view it.

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    This just tells me it's about damn time the US did a little renovating of their constitution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachvac View Post
    Amendment XIII, Section 1: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

    Amendment XIV, Section 1: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


    Prove me wrong. Is compulsory eduction not involuntary servitude? Have all children been convicted of a crime?

    I'm not trying to get out of school, after all I'm planning on going to college, which is optional. But compulsory education defeats the purpose of education.
    The problem with your argument is that 'children' aren't, legally, in complete control of their lives. Minors aren't, by definition, capable of making the proper choices regarding what's best for them. Otherwise, they'd be allowed to drive, buy alcohol, be convicted of Adult crimes, etc...

    It has been decided that education is a necessary ingredient to make a child into an adult and allow them to become a productive member of society. If children weren't required to go to school, there would be many more people who require substantial govt. programs and assistance, thus becoming more of a drag on society.
    -Computer $1500.00
    -Monthly internet connection $35.00
    -Monthly electricity bill $245.00
    -Convincing a Socialist that incentive is the mother of motivation,

    Priceless!

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