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    What caused the Civil War

    Was Slavery the Cause of the Civil War?

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    i always think its funny when people insist that the underlining cause of the civil war was not slavery, but states rights. the fact is that the states rights issue was a result of the slavery issue.

    by 1860, cotton was the chief export of the South. while the Northern states were moving towards industrialization and manufacturing, the South opposed this and continued to be an agrarian society. a manufacturing economy does not require slave labor, but an economy that revolves around cotton does. therefore, the Southern states were very reluctant to give up their rights to own states.

    at the same time, the South did want some of the manufacturing products that the Northern states were producing. in order to increase profits, the federal government forced high tariffs on these goods. naturally, the Southern states were opposed to high tariffs. but the fact is, tariffs were the federal government's main source of revenue (there was no federal income tax back in those days). they needed this revenue to federally finance improvements in the Northwest Territory. this is why these territories supported high tariffs unlike their agrarian counterparts to the south.

    the Southern states also supported popular sovereignty, the idea of the states (not the federal government) deciding whether or not to allow slavery. slaveholders were afraid that a centralized federal government would take away their right to own slaves. an industrial economy required a strong central government but an agrarian economy did not.

    states rights were a huge cause of the civil war, no doubt. but the fact is, states rights would never have been as big of an issue had slavery not been an issue. slavery was the underlining cause of the war.
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    Wow, we actually agree on something. Slavery was definitely the cause of the civil war. Slavery caused division between states which in turn caused a war. Short and simple.
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    So how did slavery CAUSE the WSI? Certainly it was a factor in the causes of the WSI, but slavery itself was not a cause.
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    tell me then mr know-it-all, what was the cause of the civil war? if you say "state's rights", i already showed in my first post that slavery caused the states rights debates.
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    if you want to be very very picky, the exact cause of the civil war was the election of Abraham Lincoln. many of the Southern States (led by South Carolina) had made the decision that they would secede if Lincoln was elected president. but why were they scared of Lincoln? because he wanted to abolish slavery. whether you like it or not, all of the main causes of the civil war trace back to the slavery issue. deal with it.
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    i dont understand how anyone can doubt that it was slavery
    its practically a known fact to ALMOST everyone
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    many southern conservatives want us to sympathize with the Confederacy, so they try to convince us that slavery had nothing to do with the war.
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    I certainly don't say the slavery had nothing to do with the WSI. I know full well that slavery was a, if not the, overriding factor in the causes of the WSI, but to say that slavery itself was the actual cause, that is off line. Slavery was a factor in the rights of the States, a factor in tarrifs, a factor in Lincoln's election; but if you took slavery out from all the arenas that it influenced you can not claim that slavery was still the issue that 600,000 men fought and died for.
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    you are right, slavery was not the issue that 600,000 men died for. if you went up to a random union or confederate soldier and asked them what they were fighting for, they would not say slavery!! but that does not mean that slavery was not the underlining cause of the civil war. if slavery had never existed in the united states, there would have been no civil war.

    a common misconception among people is that abe lincoln wanted to abolish slavery throughout the entire united states. this is simply not the case. lincoln believed that slavery was wrong, but also believed that over time slavery would gradually disappear. what he was against was the expansion of slavery in the new territories.
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    Falling,

    I do believe that the differences between the North and South were well pronounced even before the Constitution was ratified. I forget who it was, maybe Henry, that said the country would suffer a Civil War before 100 years had passed. Even though slavery was the common demoninator in the actual causes of the WSI it was not the real cause. The war was not started over whether or not slavery was legal, in which case slavery could well have been titled the "cause" of that war.

    You are correct about Lincoln. I do not believe that he ever stated that it was his intention to start a war for the sole purpose of ending that "moral and political evil" (Robert E. Lee) called slavery.
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    one of the main reasons why the South seceded was because they were afraid that Lincoln would stop the expansion of slavery into the territories. Lincoln made it clear he would not allow the EXPANSION of slavery. the North did not intend on going to war to stop this however. the North went to war in order to preserve the union.

    it is also a common myth that the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 ended slavery in the united states. the fact is that slavery was not ended until the passing of the 13th amendment in 1865. the united states passed this amendment WHILE the civil war was still going on because they knew the southern states would not allow it to be passed, even after the war was over.
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    Another thing I will point out is that you cannot fight against something by using it. America couldn't have fought WW2 by saying, "We are here to stop Germany and Japan, then take over the world for ourselves." Therefore WW2 was not a war of world control. On the same note the North could not have said, "We are fighting to liberate the slaves." because they were using slavery in order to win the war. Just another reason that slavery was NOT the cause of the WSI.

    Once more I agree with you falling. The EP did nothing to slavery. Even England realized this.
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    i think its kind of ironic how Great Britain led the slave trade in the 18th century (the dutch did in the 17th century but then fell apart when britain and france came along) because Great Britain was the first world power to abolish the slave TRADE in 1807. the united states abolished the slave trade in 1808. britain abolished slavery throughout the entire british empire in 1834 (slavery was already abolished in england and ireland in 1772, thanks to Granville Sharp). but it took the united states 31 years to do the same.
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    Falling~

    So you would agree that slavery was not the CAUSE of the WSI?
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