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    Blair?

    That he'll get a third term seems obvious, but how much parliamentary power will he retain? Iraq seems to be his weak point, the joke about the UK becoming evangelist America's lap dog still making the rounds, turning labour against him. Any opinions from Europe?
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    Considering the nature of the British first past the post elections and parliament I can't see Tony losing parliamentary power ... but I suppose he could face problems within his own party, but he seems to have handled those fine so far has he not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilted_laughter
    Considering the nature of the British first past the post elections and parliament I can't see Tony losing parliamentary power ... but I suppose he could face problems within his own party, but he seems to have handled those fine so far has he not?
    There's really been no real test of support since Iraq.
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    They always seem to be talking about Labour backbench rebellions on sky news, but I'l take you're word for it.

    Ultimately it's not in the interests of labour party members to cause discord within their own government is it? Party discipline is strong in the British system IIRC and IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilted_laughter
    They always seem to be talking about Labour backbench rebellions on sky news, but I'l take you're word for it.

    Ultimately it's not in the interests of labour party members to cause discord within their own government is it? Party discipline is strong in the British system IIRC and IMHO.
    I don't know, so don't take my word for it. I read apathy by labour voters being a potential problem for Blair as is public distrust due to Iraq. I'm just trying to get a feel for the situation because if Blair does lose his majority, it will have a big impact on declining US public support for Iraq.
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    What I hope to see is Labour win but with a tiny majority with the party removing Blair, replacing him with Gordon Brown (the current chancellor), as the PM and party leader soon after. The first half of this is looking possible at the moment. It's really difficult to tell this time around though. Many people are fairly happy with Labour's overall performance in the last four years but remain angry at the way we were taken into the Iraq war despite huge public protest.

    Regardless of who wins, I can't see our position on Iraq changing. Our troops are there to put right the mess they created with the invasion. We are used to our troops being stationed abroad for long periods of time, so there is no great call for them to be brought home. Our position with Bush has changed already as can be seen by Britain siding with France and Germany over Iran rather than with the USA for example.

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    I'm hoping for a hung parliament, unlikely I know. However, if it happens, the price for lib dem support of a labour government will be PR, and a consequent cementing of power on the left.

    I'm expecting a labour majority of 80-100, personally I've had enough of lesser of two evils and will be voting Green. Blair wants my vote he's going to have to give me some damn good reasons.

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    Hmm...

    Green! I hope their not like the whiny whinerson greens we get this side of the Irish sea, I can't stand that lot.

    EDIT: Why not the lib dems?

    Go PR, btw.

    EDIT: Hmm, won't PR mean the BNP will be making their presence felt? And others of their kind Veritas and whatever that anti-europe lot are called.
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    Voters believe that Blair lies to them, but they do not mind. My guess is that he'll be returned to power with a majority of around 50. Much will depend on turnout - which the political "pundits" are forecasting will be low.

    I'd be very surprised if Blair allows himself to be trapped, during the election campaign, into trying to justify unequivocal British support for the Iraq adventure. There are just too many worms in that particular can: not even Tony at his adroit best could conceal them all.

    I'm expecting lots of frivolous electioneering - pitched at the level of the lowest common denominator.

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    Who will you be voting for Alan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilted_laughter
    Who will you be voting for Alan?

    Howard - for the want of anyone better: at least he's a cure for hope and mindless optimism.

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    Lib dems have no beliefs, no ideology and it's hard to know where they stand from one town to the next. They're generally far too right wing for my tastes. Green Party will do me, socialism and environmentalism.

    On PR, it depends on the implementation. If we go for a system with a minimum threshold to start winning seats, or require first past the post wins in order to allow PR seats in a mixed system (like Scotland or wales). There are ways round the BNP problem. One is just put up with them being elected and then watch them implode, like they have done in various local councils, where they don't do any work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Bennett
    Lib dems have no beliefs, no ideology and it's hard to know where they stand from one town to the next.
    You just described both major parties in Ireland.

    That's grand so, go PR.

    Alan: Interesting
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    I admire Blair for what he did with new labour and how he went about changing social democracy in europe. I think that he made a huge mistake when chosing apeasing the US above European co-operation and integration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie
    I think that he made a huge mistake when chosing apeasing the US above European co-operation and integration.
    I agree, he has achieved little with this policy.
    "Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something."
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