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    School uniforms help keep schools safer, at the cost of the student's individuality. Remember Franklin's quote about freedom and safety.

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    There is no correct answer as to what a public facility should look like or how it should behave.

    Should speed limits be 30 or 60?

    Should people be able to protest on a busy public road?

    Should dogs be allowed in the local park?

    These are questions that can not be answered except by opinion. And then what to do with opinion. Should majorities rule, or the opinions of experts. Or should they be decided by the transient whims of politicians, as public and personal interest grows and wanes, as special lobby groups grow and diminish.

    Debate over such an issue can not prove a fact, it can merely persuade, by rhetoric and appeal to one emotion or another. As such it is a waste of time to even participate, unless you expect to gain something from the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crujir View Post
    Lol...
    Very well put.

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    They are proven to improve students in many ways.
    May I see your sources?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crujir View Post
    Nobody is ever focused on what they are going to wear everyday; everyone wears the same thing. It creates a sense of pride and belonging, and often the closest ties in life come from schools like that.
    For you, and for those who find militaristic uniformity to be inclusive, it creates a sense of belonging. For people who prefer to be free-thinking, self-dependent individuals, it creates a feeling of absolute exclusivity and a feeling of being trapped because it makes you look just like everyone else, and there are many who would disagree with the theory that it brings people together. Teenagers, pre-teens, and children will still form cliques with people of similar interests and one or two major leaders (it's a pack instinct held by humans), and when that happens, there will still be people left out because they're "strange" or "creepy," and then where will they run? In that very act, you have the beginning form of a high school shooter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crujir View Post
    It causes the students to focus more on their academics and other goals rather than making their social life more important.
    And I attend a non-uniform school, and still focus thoroughly on my studies. Sure, many public schools don't necessarily have a higher GPA overall, but that is because public schools accommodate the people who's parents don't push them and it accommodates low-income families who don't expect anything but a fry-chef out of their children. Uniforms do not necessarily mean better grades because of motivation; more often, it means that the students are pushed by their parents because their parents are the people who made their own way to being as wealthy as they are to afford private school and a uniform for their children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crujir View Post
    I know because it is a proven study and I attend a uniform school myself, and I love it.
    As for the "proven study," I would love to see your source, and "I heard it somewhere" is not viable in this. You might love your uniform, but many people find uniforms to be quite restrictive to the development of an individual personality with abilities that allow them to think freely. Many of the students who love their uniform schools do not thrive in college because they don't have that "immediate inclusion" that a uniform "provides." Students who have never been in a uniform school hate to lose the freedom of wearing their own clothes that they chose to wear for a stuffy uniform they must wear in order to avoid detention, suspension, or expulsion.

    As for me, I'd take expulsion to wearing a school uniform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unriggable View Post
    School uniforms help keep schools safer, at the cost of the student's individuality. Remember Franklin's quote about freedom and safety.
    I would also like to see his source. Public schools are actually as safe as uniform schools, and I'm sure there have been shootings in uniform schools, too. Don't forget that teenagers and children will not change their personality to be more accepting based on a piece of cloth. They don't normally do it in public schools, and they won't do it in uniform schools. I refer back to my "pack instinct" statement above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crujir View Post
    Lol...

    Anyway. School uniforms are a great thing, honestly. They are proven to improve students in many ways. Nobody is ever focused on what they are going to wear everyday; everyone wears the same thing. It creates a sense of pride and belonging, and often the closest ties in life come from schools like that. It causes the students to focus more on their academics and other goals rather than making their social life more important. I know because it is a proven study and I attend a uniform school myself, and I love it.
    Proven? Ha! Although numerous tests have been done on the subject, you can easily ask any kid how they would learn better in school: with itchy, ugly uniforms, or casual, everyday clothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamepunch View Post
    at the moment i am a middle school student in South Korea....
    I have lives most of my life in UK
    at the moment i am the head of students in my school.

    and i believe that the students should be able to get together and discuss problems and make dicisions by themselves (just like the adults do they get together and make laws that rule people)

    I believe that the school unifrom is not a nessecary thing...

    it may be an option for the students to choose, but should not be forced by teachers to wear....

    ( this is also a huge issue in south korea)
    yeah, living in California, most schools have uniform...and i really dont see the point in it...I wear it and all but one thing that ###### me off is we have to wear uniformed jackets..and its gettin a little chilly over here...and i have warmer jackets then what the school sells to us at 13 dollars per jacket...
    but the main thing that gets to me is, they inforce it on the students..and most students that go to my school are bussed in from the other side of town and they are the ones that get away with it....the "locals" like me, do one thing wrong and we get suspended..-.-
    my school is my home school...i live near it...and this year there are so much more people...its crazy! its bull

    and i think if we have to wear uniform...then so do the teachers cause we have to get up early and go to school, and so do they....they dont deserve to be out of uniform when us, younger people, have to be..or else >

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    Personally I dont think so

    i think wearing what you like within a limit of a dress code is more of a way of showing your personality. Especially for 13-18 year olds who want to be themselves. For anyone younger that's a tough call because kids do want to be accepted by others. I just don't think they have to be exactly the same as eveyone else, thats why I dont think there should be uniforms.

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    I just don't get it. I love school uniforms. So, here's my view, you have to wear a uniform to work at McDonald's right???? You have to wear a uniform anywhere you work, Best Buy, Walmart, Target right???.... come on people. Get over this B.S. about individualism being taken away from students. Uniforms are required in the work force. And by the way, has anyone bothered to listen to us, the students. I love my uniform, it's cute, it's versatile. Seriously people, uniforms are everywhere. Get over it & get into the future here.

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    For public schools, absolutely not. Schools are there to provide an education for children, not indoctrination and brainwashing, and the stomping out of individuality.

    Fees are hard enough just to keep the kids in school as it is, paying the tuition fees that are already in place. Uniform fees are unacceptable, especially in this economy.
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    i am against school uniforms because if some someone is poor they cant afford nether.And gang colors the uniforms we wear are gang colors

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachvac View Post
    Then we'll just have to take over the school by force
    lol but anyway, im in the seventh grade, and
    i hate dress code. i must respond by saying no, we should not have dress code. Obama wont do anything about this, and neither
    will the ISD, but maybe we can. hooah. this i give to ISD: this i now give to my main man who brought this up:
    Last edited by stephena; 11-03-2010 at 09:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by School)(Genius View Post
    Hi, I am south korean too. No offense but your spelling and vocbulary is mis-spelled and weak. Well anyways, i get what you are trying to say beacuse i'm korean too. Well heres my point, Martin Luther King Jr. Once tried to save us from this deadful way of lifein school. He once said "I have a dream,
    that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." In this case it cant be interpreted as the skin as the uniform or clothing. In my school we usually look at other's clothing and judge them (usually their character or personality). If we get school Uniforms I believe that this "way of life" will end, and everyones life will change in a postive way.
    Yeah, well MLK also said, 'The time is always right to do what is right.' I belive that we should not have dress code. If we do, we are conformists and do not express our individuality. If we dont, then we are expressing ourselfs lagitimatly and succesfuly. AMEN TO THE JESUS! Yes, I am an American and you people who are not Americans think we take our freedoms for granted. We do, but we were born with it, and we know nothing diffrent. But the US goverment is oppressive once again. Lord Jesus Christ, give us strength to overcome the new obsticale. Amen.
    Last edited by stephena; 11-03-2010 at 09:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crujir View Post
    Lol...

    Anyway. School uniforms are a great thing, honestly. They are proven to improve students in many ways. Nobody is ever focused on what they are going to wear everyday; everyone wears the same thing. It creates a sense of pride and belonging, and often the closest ties in life come from schools like that. It causes the students to focus more on their academics and other goals rather than making their social life more important. I know because it is a proven study and I attend a uniform school myself, and I love it.
    If you think school uniforms are great, you are either very messed up or blind. Hope you know that. Semper Fi.
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    School uniforms are a bad idea, no matter how you try and slice it. No matter the justification used, there's not a single excuse for implementing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NATO 556 View Post
    School uniforms are a bad idea, no matter how you try and slice it. No matter the justification used, there's not a single excuse for implementing them.
    Amen to you brother. If you ever need any help for a debate, just let me know and I will help you any way I can. Keep on trucking!
    stephena
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    Anyway, these are my principles....: Anyone who doesnt agree with me is IMIDIATLY analiated. Thanks!
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    "He or she who supports a State organized in a military way – whether directly or indirectly – participates in sin. Each man takes part in the sin by contributing to the maintenance of the State by paying taxes." -Gandhi

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