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    Felon’s rights

    What, if any rights do you think a felon should loose due to there crimes? Should there be a difference if it was a violent crime or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by emclean
    What, if any rights do you think a felon should loose due to there crimes? Should there be a difference if it was a violent crime or not?
    Depends on whether they're convicted or not. I believe people serving prison sentences are (in some states) deprived of their right to vote in elections etc.

    It's a difficult question in a democracy because we associate the deprivation of rights with totalitarian states:we uphold certain democratic/humanitarian values under the rule of law - so we are reluctant to deprive even the most vicious criminal of certain rights (such as the right to a fair trial).

    I know this is a pretty feeble answer because I'm saying that we would have to give even Bin Laden the chance to defend himself in court if ever he were arrested. But it's the best I can do off the top of my head !

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    I believe when you chose to invade the rights of others by committing your crime, then you chose to give up your rights. Felons should not have rights other than a fair trial. The right to ice cream or tv or organized sports, etc...is to much. When prisoners gained all the rights they had outside on the inside...doing time became much more bareable for most. They deserve their rights to see an attorney, rights to see loved ones, and the right to a fair trial....otherwise...they shouldn't have ANY rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisher_of_man
    I believe when you chose to invade the rights of others by committing your crime, then you chose to give up your rights. Felons should not have rights other than a fair trial. The right to ice cream or tv or organized sports, etc...is to much. When prisoners gained all the rights they had outside on the inside...doing time became much more bareable for most. They deserve their rights to see an attorney, rights to see loved ones, and the right to a fair trial....otherwise...they shouldn't have ANY rights.
    Should a felon lose his freedom of speech? Freedom of religion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzeron
    Should a felon lose his freedom of speech? Freedom of religion?


    I have noticed in these few posts that the fact of whether or not you were convicted changes opinion. I thought I would remind you that If you were not convicted you are presumed innocent.


    Innocent until proven guilty. (not saying you are not guilty but you got a trail and made it through)

    Say OJ? What should be his rights, we all know he might have done it, but he wasn't convicted just tried. Should he lose rights?
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    I have noticed in these few posts that the fact of whether or not you were convicted changes opinion. I thought I would remind you that If you were not convicted you are presumed innocent.
    to be a felon you have to be convicted, sorry that i did not make it clear in the first post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzeron
    Should a felon lose his freedom of speech? Freedom of religion?
    There is a difference between "freedom" and "rights". How can you take away freedom of religion? You are still free to be a christian or a muslim even if you lost the right to go to church.

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    Felons should lose all rights........Think about the rights they took away from the people they perpetrated their felony on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice Of Reason
    Felons should lose all rights........Think about the rights they took away from the people they perpetrated their felony on.
    Like crack dealing? Your ignorance is appalling. What right did a person carrying a pound of weed take away from another by carrying that pound of weed?

    Voice of Treason, I see in 2 years your knowledge and logic processes have actually shrunk.
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    I would have to say "it depends"

    While felons certainly loose some rights (such as the right to practice medicine or vote an most states), stripping them of all rights wouldcertainly seem to fall under "cruel and unusual".

    Are you talking about while they are in prison? If that is the case, I think it should depend largely on their crime. They should certainly never loose access to the courts. I think they should be allowed their freedom of seach and religion as well, since they don't cost us anything.

    As far as te others, such as cable TV, Ice cram, etc... These are not rights, and we do not give them to felons becuase we somehow percive them to be rights. We give them these things becuase in the united states, we have now incarcerated enough of our population that it would be incredibly expensive not to provide these things. Sure, we spend some money to provide them cable tv and things to do, but we also save a fortune. By making prison bearable, we decrease the security requirement. If you rn your prison like a gulag, you have to have a massive commitment of armed manpower int he form of guards to keep your prisoners under control. As is, US prisons have a rediculously low number of guards per prisoner. They could not possibly keep order if the prsoiners chose to revolt (as several prison riots in the 70's proved).

    Countries that have adopted draconian measures in regards to their prison populations have also found another drawback to this approch. Your prisons turn into little factories that turn out revolutionaries. IF you keep your penalties reasonable, people do the crime, do the time, and then theoretically try to keep on the right track in order to keep from being punished again. If you take peopole and brutalise them for 5 or 10 years and then release them, their impulse is not to try to work in the system to avoid ebing punished again, their impulse seems to be to strike at the system.
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    It boggles the mind why people like Duo and the rest of the left are so concerned about the rights of the felons and have no concern about the rights of the victims...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice Of Reason
    It boggles the mind why people like Duo and the rest of the left are so concerned about the rights of the felons and have no concern about the rights of the victims...........
    Fallacy: changing the direction
    Fallacy: ad homeni

    I asked you a question.

    How does one who is carrying a pound of weed take way the rights of others?

    What right has a victim lost due to that transporation of the drugs?

    I have no problem highlight your igorance here as well. Except here, there are a bunch of other people willing to do it with me. You may have been able to change the direction with me in the past, but that is no more. Every time you avoid the subject I will bring it back, highlight your clear avoidance, any fraud, and then hit you just as hard with what you wish to avoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo_Maxwell
    Fallacy: changing the direction
    Fallacy: ad homeni

    I asked you a question.

    How does one who is carrying a pound of weed take way the rights of others?

    What right has a victim lost due to that transporation of the drugs?
    This is an entirely seperate issue. Namely, should these things even be felonies? Should we really lump some pot smoker/dealer in with murderers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice Of Reason
    It boggles the mind why people like Duo and the rest of the left are so concerned about the rights of the felons and have no concern about the rights of the victims...........
    Maybe you could explain the phantom connection you are making here between punishment/loss of rights for the felon and rights of a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo
    This is an entirely seperate issue. Namely, should these things even be felonies? Should we really lump some pot smoker/dealer in with murderers?
    I don't think so. It's not a seperate issue if we account for the current legal system.

    I don't think they should be felonies, but at the moment they are, and thus it is important.

    I just want to know how someone transportating a pound of weed has violated the rights of others.

    After all, that is Voice of Treason's asseration that the rights of felons should be revoked because they violated the rights of their victims.
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