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    Gun Nut Terrorizes Entire City

    "A gun-toting man suspected in the shooting deaths of three Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the wounding of two others in a rare case of gun violence in eastern Canada was arrested early Friday, police said....

    "Schools and government offices were closed, and the city pulled its buses off the roads. Mail delivery was suspended....

    "The construction worker said he believed it was an RCMP officer he was looking at until he heard a burst of automatic gunfire coming from the man's gun....

    "Police say Bourque is carrying two military-style assault rifles with high capacity magazines, a bow and a knife."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz33qjFAFIe

    A strange story. He roams around the city dressed like Rambo, people stay in their houses fearing for their lives, and he somehow manages to shoot five police officers without being shot. Don't the police in Canada carry guns? Maybe he got his assault rifles from the US just like Mexican drug lords do.
    "Indeed, not a word in the constitutional text even arguably supports the Courtís overwrought and novel description of the Second Amendment as 'elevat[ing] above all other interests' 'the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.' Ante,at 63."
    -Justice Stevens on the Heller ruling

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    He's dressed more like Big Boss from the Metal Gear Solid franchise.

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    After so long without your presence it was assumed that you had left the forums entirely Galileo. The fact that this is inaccurate means there is still hope for intelligent discussion between those that occupy the two primary aisles on the topic.

    The information presented in the link is inaccurate in nature. One of the claims is that Justin Bourque was armed with two firearms described as assault rifles. This however is blatantly false.

    The primary picture shows Justin Bourque carrying what appears to be the Ruger Mini 14 ranch rifle. The rifle in question is legally categorized as non-restricted in nature. The nation of Canada regards it as a run of the mill hunting rifle.

    The second picture reveals the firearms on Justin Bourque's back as a Mossberg 500 pump action shotgun. Again a firearm that is non-restricted in nature. The adjustable pistol grip stock does not change this categorization as far as the nation of Canada is concerned.

    Of further note are the magazine laws for the nation of Canada. Except under certain circumstances in which ten round magazines are allowed the legal limit for centerfire rifles is a maximum of five rounds. Whether or not Justin Bourque managed to illegally acquire magazines that were in violation of Canadian law or otherwise modify legal magazines to exceed this maximum allowed capacity is unknown.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostle View Post
    He's dressed more like Big Boss from the Metal Gear Solid franchise.
    Impossible as that might create a link between video games and shootings.
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    I found where it said M-14 denoting 7.62x51, also Mossberg 500 pump action shotgun. On target with that.
    Any bets on they try and make a move to clamp down harder on firearms? Say like the Englanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
    Any bets on they try and make a move to clamp down harder on firearms? Say like the Englanders.
    They could ban assault magazines and bring back the long gun registry. They could also follow Australia's example by banning semi-auto rifles and pump action shotguns. Australia was very successful in reducing its mass murder rate.
    "Indeed, not a word in the constitutional text even arguably supports the Courtís overwrought and novel description of the Second Amendment as 'elevat[ing] above all other interests' 'the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.' Ante,at 63."
    -Justice Stevens on the Heller ruling

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
    Impossible as that might create a link between video games and shootings.
    If this guy was really a fan, he'd be going for a non lethal run using a tranquilizer pistol or rifle. Killing lowers your final score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
    They could ban assault magazines
    The nation of Canada maintains a maximum cap of ten rounds of ammunition to a magazine, with that maximum capacity reduced to five rounds with regard to rifles.

    and bring back the long gun registry.
    Of what use would that have been in this situation?

    They could also follow Australia's example by banning semi-auto rifles and pump action shotguns. Australia was very successful in reducing its mass murder rate.
    Australia is also an island isolated from the rest of the world in terms of land territory. The nation of Canada is connected to the united states and by extension the nation of Mexico. Any such attempts on their part would be no more successful than attempts made by the city of Chicago or the state of New York. They will simply blame the illegal trafficking of firearms from outside sources on their continued plight and the impotence of their home policies.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    The nation of Canada maintains a maximum cap of ten rounds of ammunition to a magazine, with that maximum capacity reduced to five rounds with regard to rifles.



    Of what use would that have been in this situation?
    The police could have checked the long gun registry when they got the 911 call to see what guns were registered in the suspect's name. They might have been better prepared to deal with the situation if they had known.

    I don't believe this was a typical mass shooting. I don't think the shooter wanted to kill a lot of innocent people. He was very much a gun nut. He probably believed he was defending his rights by shooting at police who wanted to disarm him. It reminds me of the Waco siege. What initially attracted the attention of the ATF were reports that Koresh and his followers were illegally stockpiling weapons. ATF agents were fired at and some were killed when they attempted to execute a search warrant. It's not known at this time how Justin Bourque obtained the firearms he had in his possession. He could have legally purchased them with the proper permit.
    "Indeed, not a word in the constitutional text even arguably supports the Courtís overwrought and novel description of the Second Amendment as 'elevat[ing] above all other interests' 'the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.' Ante,at 63."
    -Justice Stevens on the Heller ruling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
    The police could have checked the long gun registry when they got the 911 call to see what guns were registered in the suspect's name. They might have been better prepared to deal with the situation if they had known.
    That is assuming the data contained in the longarm registry was in any way accurate. Widespread errors and inaccurate records was one of the primary reasons for the registry being terminated and all records being deleted. Other reasons were greatly inflated costs in the billions of dollars simply to maintain the registry and only a minute number of cases in which the registry was instrumental to success.

    I don't believe this was a typical mass shooting. I don't think the shooter wanted to kill a lot of innocent people. He was very much a gun nut. He probably believed he was defending his rights by shooting at police who wanted to disarm him.
    The beliefs held by deranged individuals are of no relevance in the matter. What Justin Bourque did or did not believe is no more relevant or different than the paranoid notions of utilizing tin foil for headware in order to prevent the reading of brainwaves by government satellites.

    It reminds me of the Waco siege. What initially attracted the attention of the ATF were reports that Koresh and his followers were illegally stockpiling weapons. ATF agents were fired at and some were killed when they attempted to execute a search warrant.
    And it was reported that agents of the ATF and FBI set fire to the compound to drive survivors out into the open where they could be shot and killed.

    It's not known at this time how Justin Bourque obtained the firearms he had in his possession.
    Then it is entirely premature to claim reimplementing the longarm registry would have possessed any beneficial purposes.

    He could have legally purchased them with the proper permit.
    And for what purposes could police have not searched ownership permit records to determine whether or not Justin Bourque was armed?
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    I find it interesting that he decided to peacefully surrender at the end. The government didn't have to take his guns from his "cold, dead hands." Remember the infamous line uttered by Charlton Heston as he raised a rifle above his head and was cheered on by gun nuts?
    "Indeed, not a word in the constitutional text even arguably supports the Courtís overwrought and novel description of the Second Amendment as 'elevat[ing] above all other interests' 'the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.' Ante,at 63."
    -Justice Stevens on the Heller ruling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
    I find it interesting that he decided to peacefully surrender at the end. The government didn't have to take his guns from his "cold, dead hands." Remember the infamous line uttered by Charlton Heston as he raised a rifle above his head and was cheered on by gun nuts?
    That don't apply in Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
    That don't apply in Canada.
    But he was obviously under the influence of US pro-gun propaganda.
    "Indeed, not a word in the constitutional text even arguably supports the Courtís overwrought and novel description of the Second Amendment as 'elevat[ing] above all other interests' 'the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.' Ante,at 63."
    -Justice Stevens on the Heller ruling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
    But he was obviously under the influence of US pro-gun propaganda.
    Why of course he was. You know how those bad influences are.
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    This is long and a lot of reading and Dani I can hear you going going OY VEY or some such thing. Mostly video though.Lengthy.
    http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/the_facts.html
    I know how SOME people like to go on about Australia,this makes you wonder. And who knows maybe some anti gun people that don't hide their head in the sand may have seen some of it.
    Gun Control? "We'll Fight Them, Sir!, Until Hell Freezes Over, And Then We'll Fight Them On The Ice! Sir!

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