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    Zimmerman Guilty or Innocent?

    Is Zimmerman innocent (by virtue of self-defense) of killing Trayvon Martin? And will he walk free?

    I say Zimmerman is innocent due to self-defense.

    I also say the politically-correct media who swoons for Trayvon Martin should be caned for their bias.
    “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” - Robert Jastrow

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    George Zimmerman is of mixed race and descends from Peruvian and black heritages with white intermixed within the last generation. He is a combination of minorities. It could be suggested that he is a victim of discrimination and malicious prosecution and the notion that minority races are prone to violence.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    All the evidence points to him being innocent. The longer the jury is out the more likely they will say guilty of something (in my opinion).

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    Guilty as hell.

    As a matter of fact, guilty of first degree murder. He went after Trayvon Martin with the intention to kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    Guilty as hell.

    As a matter of fact, guilty of first degree murder. He went after Trayvon Martin with the intention to kill him.
    Are you able to prove that as a matter of absolute fact or are you simply relying on emotional rhetoric as you usually do?
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Seems innocent to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    Guilty as hell.

    As a matter of fact, guilty of first degree murder. He went after Trayvon Martin with the intention to kill him.
    Trayvon smashed GZ in the face and assaulted him. The juvenile delinquent got his payback.

    And you're a left-wing, loony-tune wombat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyrider View Post
    Trayvon smashed GZ in the face and assaulted him. The juvenile delinquent got his payback.
    The only people that agree with you are all mor ons too.
    Last edited by Accipiter; 07-17-2013 at 09:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accipiter View Post
    The only people that agree with you are all mor ons too.
    You don't think Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    Are you able to prove that as a matter of absolute fact or are you simply relying on emotional rhetoric as you usually do?
    Zimmerman refused to obey orders to let the authorities handle the matter. He acted in their stead without permission. He got out of his SUV with a weapon ready to fire and stalked Trayvon Martin ini order to kill him because "they always get away with it".

    "They" meaning African Americans, "get away with it" meaning anything at all, like wearing a hoodie, going to a 7-11, walking on the street. Zimmerman is a murderous pervert.

    He had murder in his heart because he failed to fire a warning shot or to simply wound Trayvon Martin. His intent was to MURDER Trayvon Martin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyrider View Post
    Trayvon smashed GZ in the face and assaulted him. The juvenile delinquent got his payback.

    And you're a left-wing, loony-tune wombat.
    Where is the forensic evidence for your claim?

    Trayvon Martin did not have a trace of George Zimmerman' on his body, not on his hands, no where.

    Furthermore, the initial video of Zimmerman as he went to the police after the attack indicated no injuries of the sort that he claimed.

    Zimmerman is a murderous pervert who faked the injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostle View Post
    Seems innocent to me.
    Easy for you to say. You're just a follower who can't do her own thinking and reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    Zimmerman refused to obey orders to let the authorities handle the matter.
    Dispatchers do not possess police authority. They do not have the ability to order anyone to do anything nor does any caller have an obligation to follow orders. "We don't need you to do that" is a disclaimer to prevent the dispatcher in question from facing legal responsibilities should events turn sour and the person on the line believed their actions were directly necessary.

    He acted in their stead without permission.
    As a property owner George Zimmerman did not need permission to investigate the community property of which he was an owners just as all other neighbors of the community were. One does not need permission before investigating their own private property.

    He got out of his SUV with a weapon ready to fire
    And what relevance is this fact?

    and stalked Trayvon Martin ini order to kill him because "they always get away with it".
    Then why did he simply not murder Trayvon Martin the second he spotted him wandering about in an area he did not legally belong?

    He had murder in his heart because he failed to fire a warning shot
    Despite the advice of vice president Joe Biden warning shots are legally classified as reckless discharge of a firearm. Reckless discharge of a firearm is a felony offense.

    or to simply wound Trayvon Martin.
    When someone is delivering injuries to your person that have the potential to result in death there is no sense in simply wounding them. They are trying to end your life and you are under no legal obligation to show them more concern than they are showing you.

    His intent was to MURDER Trayvon Martin.
    A claim to which no proof was provided.

    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    Where is the forensic evidence for your claim?
    According to the coroner at the time Trayvon Martin's body was pristine except for the firearm-related injury to the chest and the injuries to his hands consistent a bare knuckled beating. Based on security camera footage at the time of the purchase of skittles and watermelon tea we can say with certainty that Trayvon Martin's hands were not injured prior to his encounter with George Zimmerman.

    There were no other injuries present on Trayvon Martin's body. He was shot punched, kicked, stomped, strangled or otherwise injured in any manner consistent with a melee fight.

    George Zimmerman on the other hand possessed no injuries to his hands that were consistent with a physical confrontation. The only injuries he possessed were those to his head consistent to being punched in the face and having his head slammed against the pavement at least six times.

    Trayvon Martin did not have a trace of George Zimmerman' on his body, not on his hands, no where.
    At the time of the incident it was raining and the scene was contaminated and evidence compromised. A significant amount of discussion at trial dealt with how Trayvon Martin's hooded sweatshirt was put in a plastic bag while wet and allowed to mildew and compromising whatever evidence was present.

    Furthermore, the initial video of Zimmerman as he went to the police after the attack indicated no injuries of the sort that he claimed.
    The police report indicates George Zimmerman was cleaned up at the scene prior to his arrival at the station.

    With all of the concern regarding HIV and AIDS due to contact with a stranger's blood there was significant reason for George Zimmerman to be cleaned up immediately to reduce the possibility of the spread of infection.

    Zimmerman is a murderous pervert who faked the injuries.
    You may wish to amend your statement. Under the law George Zimmerman would be well within his rights to file a lawsuit against you for defamation of character due to the not guilty verdict invalidating what you have to say.

    According to the woman claiming to be Trayvon Martin's girlfriend she suggested George Zimmerman was after Trayvon Martin out of the possibility of being a homosexual rapist. If this were true Trayvon Martin's actions would be considered a hate crime for launching an assault against someone he believed to be a homosexual.
    Last edited by Xenamnes; 07-17-2013 at 03:55 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    You don't think Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face?
    Is that something anyone should die for? If it were there would be a lot of dead people around including myself and probably you as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    Dispatchers do not possess police authority. They do not have the ability to order anyone to do anything nor does any caller have an obligation to follow orders. "We don't need you to do that" is a disclaimer to prevent the dispatcher in question from facing legal responsibilities should events turn sour and the person on the line believed their actions were directly necessary.
    So, anyone with a gun has police authority?
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    As a property owner George Zimmerman did not need permission to investigate the community property of which he was an owners just as all other neighbors of the community were. One does not need permission before investigating their own private property.
    Trayvon Martin's father was also a property owner. As such, his son had a right to be there. Trayvon Martin was murdered because he was black. Had he been a white youth, Zimmerman would have ignored him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    And what relevance is this fact?
    Zimmerman could have stayed in his vehicle and continued to observe Trayvon Martin. He refused to do this because he is unstable and perverted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    Then why did he simply not murder Trayvon Martin the second he spotted him wandering about in an area he did not legally belong?
    Does the law specify that someone can be murdered on that cause?

    Furthermore, Trayvon Martin had a RIGHT TO BE THERE BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS A PROPERTY OWNER.

    Perhaps, you personally are prejudiced, Xenamnes, and have a problem with African Americans having a right to own property.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    Despite the advice of vice president Joe Biden warning shots are legally classified as reckless discharge of a firearm. Reckless discharge of a firearm is a felony offense.
    But murder isn't, apparently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    When someone is delivering injuries to your person that have the potential to result in death there is no sense in simply wounding them. They are trying to end your life and you are under no legal obligation to show them more concern than they are showing you.
    There is no evidence that Trayvon Martin injured Zimmerman. A police surveillance video of Zimmerman immediately after he murdered Martin showed no evidence of blood or injury on Zimmerman's person:
    George Zimmerman on Police Surveillance | Video - ABC News

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    A claim to which no proof was provided.
    Such evidence was not permitted in the trial.
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