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    Obamacare Upheld in 5/4 decision...

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    Better get ready to buy the new Prius you'll be forced to purchase under the new powers found in the commerce clause. According to the court you can now be punished for engaging in economic inactivity by not buying something.

    You wanna see whining? Just wait until you get your itemized list of tax penalties you incurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcaliber View Post
    Congratulations on Obama having now passed the largest tax increase in the history of the world.
    “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” - Robert Jastrow

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    I thought there was a good chance Obama would win in 2012, this will seriously hurt his chances. I now predict that he will lose to Romney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    I thought there was a good chance Obama would win in 2012, this will seriously hurt his chances. I now predict that he will lose to Romney.
    It won't change the outcome of the election.. Willard isn't going to be able to run from RomneyCare forever... so when they get into the debates and people realize that both candidates created and passed Healthcare plans with mandates this issue becomes a wash... and Obama wins because Willard has nothing left to run on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcaliber View Post
    It won't change the outcome of the election.. Willard isn't going to be able to run from RomneyCare forever... so when they get into the debates and people realize that both candidates created and passed Healthcare plans with mandates this issue becomes a wash... and Obama wins because Willard has nothing left to run on.
    We'll see.
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    Well, the valued founding principle of federalism has been eroded for years. This is just another XXXX the "structural protections of freedom"

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    Don't ever, ever underestimate the outrage of the American people when they're told that they have to buy something or else they'll be punished for not spending their money in a way they don't agree with. Obama put this policy in place and now the American people will associate him with the notion of IRS harassment and increased tax rates and insurance premiums. As Freedom said this victory may cost him the election, allowing the conservative right to step in, claim power and show their concern by revoking this Obamanation of a law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbi View Post
    Don't ever, ever underestimate the outrage of the American people when they're told that they have to buy something or else they'll be punished for not spending their money in a way they don't agree with. Obama put this policy in place and now the American people will associate him with the notion of IRS harassment and increased tax rates and insurance premiums. As Freedom said this victory may cost him the election, allowing the conservative right to step in, claim power and show their concern by revoking this Obamanation of a law.
    afraid I have to disagree. The Law is very clear and none of what you say there is going to happen. The IRS wasn't even given the authority to enforce the mandate. The worst that will happen is that you might not qualify for a little tax credit.. and Taxes going up..LOL... that's a good one. The Right has started their spin for the next cycle.. "Convince the people their taxes are going up and win".. but knowing that's not the case It won't make a big difference in the election. If Obama really believed it would hurt his chances he never would have pushed the SCOTUS to take this up now... He's playing a high stakes game of Chess with the Right and soon it will be Checkmate.
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    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
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    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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    The Supreme Court said that government can bring taxes and penalties against people for not spending money and not buying a government-controlled and offered good. How long do you really think it'll be before government starts abusing this newfound onstitutional authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbi View Post
    The Supreme Court said that government can bring taxes and penalties against people for not spending money and not buying a government-controlled and offered good. How long do you really think it'll be before government starts abusing this newfound onstitutional authority?
    hate to break the bad news but the Government has always had this ability.. that's why it was deemed constitutional. Look back in history.. George Washington and the first Congress passed a Mandate. John Adams Passed a Individual Mandate forcing people to buy medical insurance. The Power to tax is awarded to congress in the constitution. This won't really change much.. just allow for more people to have access to quality healthcare.
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    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcaliber View Post
    John Adams Passed a Individual Mandate forcing people to buy medical insurance
    No, John Adams signed a bill forcing companies to pay a fee (20 cents for every seamen) each time they entered a US port for use on medical treatment of seamen. I don't think anyone is questioning Congress's power to regulate commerce with foreign nations. It's a pretty far stretch to say that law is an "individual mandate" like what you see in ObamaCare....no matter where you said on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    No, John Adams signed a bill forcing companies to pay a fee (20 cents for every seamen) each time they entered a US port for use on medical treatment of seamen. I don't think anyone is questioning Congress's power to regulate commerce with foreign nations. It's a pretty far stretch to say that law is an "individual mandate" like what you see in ObamaCare....no matter where you said on the issue.
    No John Adams passed a Mandate requiring individuals to pay into a healthcare system. The point is he passed a Mandate. You can slice it any way you want or call it a tax if you will, still a government mandate.

    The First Health Care President John Adams – Federal Health Mandates | Politicol Commentary News
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    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
    Epicurus

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    Obamacare Unconstitutional.

    According to Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution, “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” And since the Senate essentially originated the “Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act”, which SCOTUS now declares uses a tax to fund it, then the monstrous legislation is doubly unconstitutional. The House-originated version, HR3962 “Affordable Health Care for America Act”, never became law. (Breitbart.com)
    “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” - Robert Jastrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcaliber View Post
    No John Adams passed a Mandate requiring individuals to pay into a healthcare system. The point is he passed a Mandate. You can slice it any way you want or call it a tax if you will, still a government mandate.

    The First Health Care President John Adams – Federal Health Mandates | Politicol Commentary News
    Xcaliber is indeed correct. Those who think this is new or unconstitutional can't see the forest through the trees. All taxes are individual mandates to pay money to the government. I have, in my arguments over taxation; been told dozens of times that taxes are merely buying services from the government (in an attempt to call them fair or justified). Thus everyone who pays taxes are being forced to buy services.

    Most, rightist included; have been trained to ignore the first and most powerful tyranny over individuals that any government can levy. They tolerate the IRS stealing cars, houses, thousands and millions of dollars but they will complain about a company paying 'too' little to employees.... the absurdity.
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