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    Senate Rejects Obama’s ‘Buffett Rule’ on Taxes

    OBAMA - another Liberal FAILURE:

    In another display of what a massive failure this President has been, his transparent pathetic attempt at class warfare fails in the Senate where he has a majority!

    But even his own party members know that such idiot transparent attempts to fool gullibly stupid voters to elect Obama will do NOTHING to reign in the massive unprecedented spending binge this administration has been on over the last three years with a massive increase of $5 trillion debt and increasing exponentially and a massive unprecedented budget deficit exceeding trillions for every year of this Presidency.

    Obama lied his way into the White House much like his Democrat allies have by promising economic prosperity if his programs get implemented and by promising to cut the deficit in half his first term. But alas, now that he has been elected and his policies shown to be a massive failure, he resorts to petty personal attacks and the age old class envy arguments that all despots, dictators and Liberals have resorted to when their policies fail and they have no answers.

    Senate Rejects Obama’s ‘Buffett Rule’ on Taxes

    By a near party-line 51-45 tally, senators voted to keep the bill alive but fell nine votes short of the 60 needed to continue debating the measure. The anti-climactic outcome was no surprise to anyone in a vote that was designed more to win over voters and embarrass senators in close races than to push legislation into law.

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    But let's put this class envy argument in perspective; the "Buffet" rule would add about $45 billion over the next ten years to the Government coffers which would operate the current Government about ELEVEN HOURS!

    Yep folks, this is your pathetic Admonisher in Chief at work. While his Democrat cronies have not passed a budget in 1,111 days, he spends all his time touring America with his divisive class envy message over a rule that would operate the Government for ELEVEN HOURS.

    November cannot get here soon enough.

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    So, in one thread you are whining because he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, but in this thread you are gloating because the legislation he suggested to fix that got shot down?

    You are a strange, strange man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    So, in one thread you are whining because he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, but in this thread you are gloating because the legislation he suggested to fix that got shot down?
    Wrong again Daewoo; but at least you are painfully consistent.

    I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy and level of ignorance Obama displays every time he opens his economically clueless and divisive mouth.

    But then, who would ever accuse you of “getting” anything right?

    Once again, the “Buffet” rule is for the gullible and clueless to glom onto in a vacuum of reality and the fact that it would do NOTHING to solve this nation’s problems and is merely a diversion from the massive failure this President has been, more so than even Carter.

    I can’t say I am surprised you would glom onto such an idiot talking point.

    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    You are a strange, strange man.
    It is only strange for someone who is so completely clueless that they cannot even comprehend a simple thread premise.

    So were you born this clueless, or deliberately play the role of someone who is patently clueless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wrong again Daewoo; but at least you are painfully consistent.

    I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy and level of ignorance Obama displays every time he opens his economically clueless and divisive mouth.
    No, I am not wrong, nor do you appear to have any idea what the word "hypocrisy" means. There is no hypocrisy in saying "I pay a lower tax rate than my secretary, that is not right, we should change it".

    In this thread:

    http://www.4forums.com/political/new...-confirms.html

    you are whining about the fact he paid a taxes at a lower rate than his secretary.

    But in the current thread you are gloating because the law he wanted passed to rectify that did not pass.
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    Originally Posted by Truth Detector

    Wrong again Daewoo; but at least you are painfully consistent.

    I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy and level of ignorance Obama displays every time he opens his economically clueless and divisive mouth.

    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    No, I am not wrong, nor do you appear to have any idea what the word "hypocrisy" means. There is no hypocrisy in saying "I pay a lower tax rate than my secretary, that is not right, we should change it".

    In this thread:

    http://www.4forums.com/political/new...-confirms.html

    you are whining about the fact he paid a taxes at a lower rate than his secretary.

    But in the current thread you are gloating because the law he wanted passed to rectify that did not pass.
    Wrong again; perhaps your cluelessness is deliberate?

    Perhaps if you looked up the definition of hypocrite you would comprehend the valid points made in this thread.

    hyp•o•crite
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    1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
    2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.


    Obama and Warren Buffet are hypocrites; they make false claims and statements in an effort to elevate themselves through rhetoric above the fray while conducting themselves the same way the very people they impugn do.

    Let's ask a relevant question; what prevents Obama and Buffet from paying MORE on their taxes? The truth is, NOTHING. There is a line item that they could enter any amount they desire to rectify their claimed "underpayment" of taxes.

    But alas, people with HALF a brain know that the issue isn't the tax rates these rich people are paying, but rather the desperate naked partisan efforts to deflect and divert attention away from the massive failure this Administration and this Presidency represents.

    Carry on; I cannot say I look forward to more of your ineffectual blather and trolling of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Originally Posted by Truth Detector

    Wrong again Daewoo; but at least you are painfully consistent.

    I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy and level of ignorance Obama displays every time he opens his economically clueless and divisive mouth.



    Wrong again; perhaps your cluelessness is deliberate?

    Perhaps if you looked up the definition of hypocrite you would comprehend the valid points made in this thread.

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    noun
    1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
    2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.


    Obama and Warren Buffet are hypocrites; they make false claims and statements in an effort to elevate themselves through rhetoric above the fray while conducting themselves the same way the very people they impugn do.

    Let's ask a relevant question; what prevents Obama and Buffet from paying MORE on their taxes? The truth is, NOTHING. There is a line item that they could enter any amount they desire to rectify their claimed "underpayment" of taxes.

    But alas, people with HALF a brain know that the issue isn't the tax rates these rich people are paying, but rather the desperate naked partisan efforts to deflect and divert attention away from the massive failure this Administration and this Presidency represents.

    Carry on; I cannot say I look forward to more of your ineffectual blather and trolling of this thread.
    If he was a hypocrite, he would pay less than his secretary, talk about how unjust it is, while working AGAINST doing anything to fix the problem.

    Are you seriously using that childish "they can donate anything they want...." talking point? Even the GOP has stopped using that one because it came across to voters as childish, petty, and ignorant. That is mostly because it is childish, petty, and ignorant. Back in the real world, a guy choosing to donate extra money on his taxes is making a meaningless symbolic gesture. Revising the tax code nets us billions in revenue. It turns out that the VAST majority of Americans, were not quite ignorant enough to buy into that particular line of retardation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    If he was a hypocrite, he would pay less than his secretary, talk about how unjust it is, while working AGAINST doing anything to fix the problem.

    Are you seriously using that childish "they can donate anything they want...." talking point? Even the GOP has stopped using that one because it came across to voters as childish, petty, and ignorant. That is mostly because it is childish, petty, and ignorant. Back in the real world, a guy choosing to donate extra money on his taxes is making a meaningless symbolic gesture. Revising the tax code nets us billions in revenue. It turns out that the VAST majority of Americans, were not quite ignorant enough to buy into that particular line of retardation.
    Wrong again daewoo; but par for the course with your tireless nonsense and trolling.

    What comes across as childish to voters is the idiot claims that the Buffet Rule will solve our deficit problems; that this election will be about Romney's dog or that the Republicans are conducting a war on women.

    But then, you are apparently a mind numbed robot doomed to parroting the idiot talking points of the left.

    Carry on; I can't say I look forward to more of your incessant blather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    So, in one thread you are whining because he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, but in this thread you are gloating because the legislation he suggested to fix that got shot down?

    You are a strange, strange man.
    In one thread he is whining that Obama is a hypocrite an in the other he is gloating because he can't implement a rule against his own behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wrong again daewoo; but par for the course with your tireless nonsense and trolling.

    What comes across as childish to voters is the idiot claims that the Buffet Rule will solve our deficit problems; that this election will be about Romney's dog or that the Republicans are conducting a war on women.

    But then, you are apparently a mind numbed robot doomed to parroting the idiot talking points of the left.

    Carry on; I can't say I look forward to more of your incessant blather.
    You talk about mind numbed robots parroting idiot talking points in a post where you use an idiot talking point from the GOP. NOBODY has argued that the Buffet Rule will solve our deficit problems. Nobody has made that claim. It is a straw man argument that right wing pundits have come up with because they know that nitwits like you lack the cognitive skills to recognize that pretty much any revenue raising measure we institute will help us toward that goal, and nitwits like you are not well enough informed when it comes to national news to recognize that nobody has actually made the claim that they are "debunking".

    And guess what....they are going to do it with every single revenue raising measure that is introduced. This is not a new trick. Every single time they are going to go "That wont solve our deficit problem", and XXXXXX like you will jump around like lunatics parroting it because you are simply not bright enough to understand that no single measure is going to solve our deficit woes, the only way to do it is a combination of spending cuts and tax increases.

    Oh, and every time you DO jump around like a lunatic shrieking because a single measure will not solve the problem, you prove your own ignorance and lack of critical thinking ability.

    And we all know that when we act like XXXXXX, the terrorist win.

    Ergo, you are a terrorist.
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    Yea but daewoo, if you keep spending faster than you raise revenue; it won't add up. This isn't just about raising taxes, the insult is compounded by the fact that the government hasn't rerouted every dime to paying off the debt before it starts announcing that more sacrifices are needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    Yea but daewoo, if you keep spending faster than you raise revenue; it won't add up. This isn't just about raising taxes, the insult is compounded by the fact that the government hasn't rerouted every dime to paying off the debt before it starts announcing that more sacrifices are needed.
    Rerouting "every dime" to pay off the debt is not an option. The government has obligations they are required to meet.

    So, by your logic, we need to stand here completely immobilized until somebody can come up with an all encompassing plan to cut spending, increase revenues, and solve the debt problem in one step?

    That seems a little out of touch with reality. In the real world, we find something that will help, something that moves us in the right direction, and that the people are willing to accept, and we move forward. Then we find something else. Do that until you are where you want to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    Rerouting "every dime" to pay off the debt is not an option. The government has obligations they are required to meet.

    So, by your logic, we need to stand here completely immobilized until somebody can come up with an all encompassing plan to cut spending, increase revenues, and solve the debt problem in one step?
    and it keeps adding "obligations" with every passing year, faster than it is getting real money to pay for them. Do not tell me that we are in a rock in a hard place because the government is slowly lowering a 40 ton weight on itself.

    You say it's not 'an option' what makes you think stealing money is?

    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    That seems a little out of touch with reality. In the real world, we find something that will help, something that moves us in the right direction, and that the people are willing to accept, and we move forward. Then we find something else. Do that until you are where you want to be.
    In the real world the only thing that will help in the long run is the establishment of a moral government on earth. The mightiest civilizations have fallen been because they try to fix things on the short term and do not analyze where their problems came from and whether they are ultimately compounding them.

    Democrats raise taxes but they do it as an excuse to implement the most draining policies imaginable. I have heard you say both sides spend about the same but I know this is not true because by your own admission the greatest expenditures of government have all originated and been passed by the left. Social security, medicare, medicaid. These are not new wounds created by Bush they are old, are we still paying for WW2 or 1? No the cost of wars ends when the debts are paid off, the communist programs of the left just keep getting bigger.

    You are the one taking the narrow view, the unrealistic view both of the past and the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    and it keeps adding "obligations" with every passing year, faster than it is getting real money to pay for them. Do not tell me that we are in a rock in a hard place because the government is slowly lowering a 40 ton weight on itself.

    You say it's not 'an option' what makes you think stealing money is?


    In the real world the only thing that will help in the long run is the establishment of a moral government on earth. The mightiest civilizations have fallen been because they try to fix things on the short term and do not analyze where their problems came from and whether they are ultimately compounding them.

    Democrats raise taxes but they do it as an excuse to implement the most draining policies imaginable. I have heard you say both sides spend about the same but I know this is not true because by your own admission the greatest expenditures of government have all originated and been passed by the left. Social security, medicare, medicaid. These are not new wounds created by Bush they are old, are we still paying for WW2 or 1? No the cost of wars ends when the debts are paid off, the communist programs of the left just keep getting bigger.

    You are the one taking the narrow view, the unrealistic view both of the past and the future.
    So in other words....YES, we have to stand here paralyzed until somebody comes up with an all inclusive plan that solves the entire problem in one package.

    Gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daewoo View Post
    So in other words....YES, we have to stand here paralyzed until somebody comes up with an all inclusive plan that solves the entire problem in one package.

    Gotcha.
    Of course not, but a small step in the wrong direction is no help. The right is not complaining about how ineffective the buffet rule is, they are complaining about the fact that the same people who literally manufactured the 'need' to raise revenue are now further destroying liberties in the name of that holy objective of balancing the budget.

    You cannot have your cake and eat it two. There is no 'solution' given that the obligations of the government must be met, the debt must be paid off, and the rights of the people must be respected. One or more of those premises must be dropped and then some solutions present themselves.

    Considering the government the government had no right to bind me, you, or anyone else to it's obligations and it's debt I drop those. So here's my all incusive plan that solves the entire problem in one package. (in this order)

    1. Construct a computer system for mass voting and fund allocation.
    2. Give people the space of one year to commit to and hash out the financing of a voluntary government at all levels.
    3. Alter the constitution in the following ways:
    • Prohibit laws sanctioning or directly violating rights in unambiguous objective language.
    • Establish a new mission statement for the executive branch being the execution of actions produced by the above mentioned computer system
    • Dissolve congress


    4. Default on the debt and never borrow again except through aggregate personal credit.
    5. Cut all taxes (automatically happens with new constitution)
    6. Anything without funding dies (evil grin).

    There you go, balanced budget (no other state possible), no debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    Of course not, but a small step in the wrong direction is no help. The right is not complaining about how ineffective the buffet rule is, they are complaining about the fact that the same people who literally manufactured the 'need' to raise revenue are now further destroying liberties in the name of that holy objective of balancing the budget.
    But it is not a step in the wrong direction if we are trying to balance the budget and pay down the debt. It is a step in the right direction.

    You cannot have your cake and eat it two. There is no 'solution' given that the obligations of the government must be met, the debt must be paid off, and the rights of the people must be respected. One or more of those premises must be dropped and then some solutions present themselves.

    Considering the government the government had no right to bind me, you, or anyone else to it's obligations and it's debt I drop those. So here's my all incusive plan that solves the entire problem in one package. (in this order)

    1. Construct a computer system for mass voting and fund allocation.
    2. Give people the space of one year to commit to and hash out the financing of a voluntary government at all levels.
    3. Alter the constitution in the following ways:
    • Prohibit laws sanctioning or directly violating rights in unambiguous objective language.
    • Establish a new mission statement for the executive branch being the execution of actions produced by the above mentioned computer system
    • Dissolve congress


    4. Default on the debt and never borrow again except through aggregate personal credit.
    5. Cut all taxes (automatically happens with new constitution)
    6. Anything without funding dies (evil grin).

    There you go, balanced budget (no other state possible), no debt.
    Ok...but the rest of us are dealing in reality. No matter how moral or righteous your stance may be, that isnt how the world we live in operates, and there is no possibility that we would take such a path.

    Lets stick with realistic scenarios here.
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