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    Is porn a form of rape?

    The title of this post may be misleading. I am hesitant to use this title, because I feel that it may in some way bring down the horror of a rape for a woman, but I think that the title is fitting in many ways.

    I believe people should have the choice to express their sexuality in whatever way choose to do so (as long it does not infringe upon the rights of others), but I am contemplating what pornography does for the image of women in society. Does it "rape" them in a emotional way? Do women that work as prostitutes, pornstars, or strippers contribute to the lack of respect men have for women in today's society? Feminist groups tend to support women having the right to work in these areas, but do women working in the sex trade bring down the rights that so many hard working women have dedicated their lives for? I think that the sex trade causes men to think of women as an object not as a person. Men form fantasies that make women into an object of desire, not as a mutual partner in love.

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    What about all the men that work in the same areas, such as male porn stars, male prostitutes, and male strippers?.. why should there be a difference when talking about Pornography?. Sure there are Some women who may be forced by circumstance into such a lief, but there are also women( and men) who work in these areas because they enjoy their work. Or maybe they think it will make them famous and they'll make a lot of money.. who knows. I don't think Pornography is the same as being raped. Women also form fantasies that make Men into an object of desire, not as a mutual partner in love. ( see what I did there?)....
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    Good topic! I've actually been wanting to talk about this for a while.

    A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own body. This means she has the right to appear naked on camera, or have sex on camera and post it on the internet. This also means that she should have the right to sell her body for sex if she wants to, but of course she doesn't have that right due to a perverted government. And all of this applies to men as well.

    I'm not under the impression that female pornstars are emotionally "raped" due to their occupation; it's the same as any actor or actress. They initially chose this lifestyle and career, so at the end of the day, if they don't like their job, they only have themselves to blame. But, like most actors and actresses, they probably like their job.

    I mean, you get to have sex for a living. How could you not like that?

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    We all want to be objects sometimes. Even one's partner in love. It's all about context. Porn exploits without a doubt. It's a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennedict View Post
    I mean, you get to have sex for a living. How could you not like that?
    I have to admit I've thought that myself before, but in all honesty I can't imagine doing it for a living; I simply can't see it as an accomplishment and I couldn't live without accomplishment.

    It's certainly not rape emotional or otherwise, and no more useless or stupid than the more accepted obsessions with fashion and celebrity (hec the line between the two is really fuzzy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophilus View Post
    The title of this post may be misleading. I am hesitant to use this title, because I feel that it may in some way bring down the horror of a rape for a woman, but I think that the title is fitting in many ways.

    I believe people should have the choice to express their sexuality in whatever way choose to do so (as long it does not infringe upon the rights of others), but I am contemplating what pornography does for the image of women in society. Does it "rape" them in a emotional way? Do women that work as prostitutes, pornstars, or strippers contribute to the lack of respect men have for women in today's society? Feminist groups tend to support women having the right to work in these areas, but do women working in the sex trade bring down the rights that so many hard working women have dedicated their lives for? I think that the sex trade causes men to think of women as an object not as a person. Men form fantasies that make women into an object of desire, not as a mutual partner in love.

    What say you?
    Women have been treated as objects and disrespected in various ways well before there was porn. A common thread over history has been men are the agressors and grow up learning that women are passive. The man chases the woman who will have sex with him if she likes him. Some men even as children figured out that those who are physically weaker can be convinced when finesse fails thru force. Boys are given greater latitude in how they behave in general and towards girls.

    By the time porn comes along the behavior is already there

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    Very interesting thoughts everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    I have to admit I've thought that myself before, but in all honesty I can't imagine doing it for a living; I simply can't see it as an accomplishment and I couldn't live without accomplishment.
    lol. You make it too easy for me to make fun of you.

    You're right though. No skills are being used in this industry, so I wouldn't want this job either. And, not to get all emotional and weird, but sex is a special thing. It would lose it's importance if you did it 9-5 day in and day out. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennedict View Post
    lol. You make it too easy for me to make fun of you.

    You're right though. No skills are being used in this industry, so I wouldn't want this job either. And, not to get all emotional and weird, but sex is a special thing. It would lose it's importance if you did it 9-5 day in and day out. lol.
    You try keeping wood,having sex in front of people with cameras and ejaculating on demand,week in week out then tell me there is no skills being used in pornography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gansao View Post
    You try keeping wood,having sex in front of people with cameras and ejaculating on demand,week in week out then tell me there is no skills being used in pornography.
    I'll prove you wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennedict View Post
    I'll prove you wrong!
    Thats the spirit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophilus View Post
    The title of this post may be misleading. I am hesitant to use this title, because I feel that it may in some way bring down the horror of a rape for a woman, but I think that the title is fitting in many ways.

    I believe people should have the choice to express their sexuality in whatever way choose to do so (as long it does not infringe upon the rights of others), but I am contemplating what pornography does for the image of women in society. Does it "rape" them in a emotional way? Do women that work as prostitutes, pornstars, or strippers contribute to the lack of respect men have for women in today's society? Feminist groups tend to support women having the right to work in these areas, but do women working in the sex trade bring down the rights that so many hard working women have dedicated their lives for? I think that the sex trade causes men to think of women as an object not as a person. Men form fantasies that make women into an object of desire, not as a mutual partner in love.

    What say you?
    Women entering the sex industry is a symptom of misogyny, not a cause. The real problem is parents raising their daughters to be housewives, and it's a lot more common than people think. Almost any teenage girl has dreams of meeting the big strong handsome man of their dreams and living happily ever after and XXXX. Never mind getting a career, she figures her husband can support her.

    Up until the 1960s, women were widely thought to be weaker of character and ability than men. Which, at that time, was true. Not because women were inherently weaker than men, but because their parents deliberately raised them to be that way. And, to a lesser extent, we still do.

    Look at barbie dolls. A barbie doll is a representation of a socially "ideal" woman: sexually appealing, domestic, and submissive. The only accessories I can think of are kitchens, which I find to be disgusting. Nothing to do with cars, electronics, or any hands-on career like you would encourage for your sons.

    Then when a girl enters adolescence, she starts wearing makeup and "beauty" supplies just to make herself look more sexually appealing. You can see at this point that her big goal in life is to find a guy good enough to become totally dependent on, and she's been taught that if she looks and acts cute enough, she'll attract the right guy.

    Thankfully this trend has been diminishing ever since the 1950s, but males still dominate the "masculine" careers like mechanics, electronics, plumbing, most branches of engineering, etc. And while I don't know much about any of those fields, I doubt you use your penis on the job, so I don't see what makes them "masculine."

    As a heterosexual male, my sexual preferences regarding women are fairly mainstream. In fact, I actually like particularly "girly" girls more so than other guys, and I'm turned off by the thought of, for example, female bodybuilders or plumbers as much as any other guy. But the question is, why should males in society get to impose their sexual preferences on the way a woman lives her life?

    We'd probably have less women in the sex industry if we weren't raising them this way, but like I said, I'm convinced that it's an effect, not a cause. Nobody's saying that guys shouldn't enter the sex industry, so I say if a woman really wants to be a pornstar, she should have every right to be.

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    Perhaps the problem lies even deeper than what you identify, perhaps the problem lies in identifying traits as masculine and feminine when they are not. Certainly something so glorious as electronics is far too lofty an interest to compare to barbies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom View Post
    Perhaps the problem lies even deeper than what you identify, perhaps the problem lies in identifying traits as masculine and feminine when they are not.
    That's what I'm saying.

    Certainly something so glorious as electronics is far too lofty an interest to compare to barbies.
    Probably, but there's still a number of ways you can see how childhood reflects adulthood.

    Little boys play with cars and action figures and want to be astronauts, race car drivers, police, and firefighters while little girls are more or less expected to play with barbie dolls, kitchens, and faux makeup kits and aspire to be a princess, i.e. to be supported by a prince and have no need to strengthen themselves or broaden their horizons. This attitude has been fading for decades, but there's still a number of aspects of society that reflect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesbian View Post
    Probably, but there's still a number of ways you can see how childhood reflects adulthood.

    Little boys play with cars and action figures and want to be astronauts, race car drivers, police, and firefighters while little girls are more or less expected to play with barbie dolls, kitchens, and faux makeup kits and aspire to be a princess, i.e. to be supported by a prince and have no need to strengthen themselves or broaden their horizons. This attitude has been fading for decades, but there's still a number of aspects of society that reflect it.
    Of course child-hood reflects greatly on adulthood. Problem is that I really don't think people consciously try to choose these personalities for their kids I think there is actually a child culture that endures when older kids expect things from younger ones throughout school, and of course to a much lesser degree when they become parents themselves.

    I think it is a problem if anyone does encourage their kids to play with barbie dolls and makeup, or fantasize about helpless feudal females. Perhaps I just never saw it in my child-hood and so assume it doesn't exist. Kitchens however are cool, the real one's at least. I love to cook, and if you get good at it you can save yourself a lot of money and still eat like going to a restaurant all the time + your own personal modifications and menu. That is a life skill which everyone could use even when married to another good cook.
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