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    Canadian Health Care

    From Conservative News, Views & Books - HUMAN EVENTS


    Shona Holmes is a Canadian citizen. She came to the United States to warn lawmakers at the Republican Health Care Solutions Group hearing last Thursday about the dangers of government-run healthcare. Shona survived a brain tumor, having surgery performed at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Ariz. The subject of a national ad campaign for Patients United Now, she is also warning the American people.

    Shona sat down with HUMAN EVENTS this week for an interview.

    After seeing her primary care physician in Canada, Shona was given a wait time of four to six months to see a specialist. She was experiencing serious problems with her vision; she rapidly gained weight and began exhibiting other strong indications of an aggressive brain tumor.

    “The most worrisome problem to me was my vision,” Shona said. “There were a lot of physical changes but my vision started to go. So my family doctor set up an appointment with a neurologist and an endocrinologist and, from the onset of my symptoms, it was four to six months to see a specialist. They were in two different hospitals in two different cities.”

    After talking with friends in the United States, they urged her to see a specialist here. After making calls to try to get a specialist in Canada to at least give her a diagnosis, she began calling America.

    “I have a lot of American friends and they were ranting and raving at me saying don’t be crazy, go see another doctor,” Shona said. “And I said it just doesn’t work like that in Canada. I can’t. So I tried to move those appointments up. You can’t. They don’t even have wait lists. They don’t even take your name. They don’t even ask what’s wrong.”

    “So I called a couple of hospitals in the U.S. and was told to go immediately to the Mayo Clinic in Arizona,” Shona continued. “I spent a week there and got a full diagnosis.”

    The doctors she happened to see at Mayo were Canadian. Shona said that made her feel more comfortable. Everyone in Canada had told her that American doctors were only after money. The doctors told her to go home and get the surgery she required since she had coverage there. They said they would make some calls and inform the doctors in Canada of the urgency. The tumor was pressing on her optic nerve. She was three to four weeks from permanently losing her eyesight, at best. The outlook was grim.

    Diagnosis in hand, she still could not get in to see the specialists. And to make matters worse, once back in Canada, she and her husband got a call from doctors at the Mayo clinic informing them further tests showed she had another tumor. Even with that information, Canadian doctors refused to take her out of the scheduled order, the first of her two appointments at this point still being over a month away, the second over two months away.

    Shona and her husband made the decision, borrowed money from every friend and family member, took a second mortgage on their house and paid for the surgery in Arizona. She was sure she could get reimbursed by the Canadian government, as she found out they had already sent 36 patients that month to America for brain surgery.

    “They admitted there’s a shortage of neurosurgeons, they’ve admitted that the wait times are too dangerous but because I went without that pre-approval, they wouldn’t pay for it,” Shona said.

    She said she’s still had issues with the health care system at home. Getting a diagnosis on adrenal issues from two more tumors was a struggle.

    “There was one test that could diagnose my problems,” Shona said. “It’s an 8 a.m. blood draw and an 11 p.m. blood draw. Our labs are only open 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. on a normal day, sometimes 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. I’m not allowed to go into a hospital and have a blood draw done at 11 o’clock at night. It’s illegal. So I couldn’t get that test.”

    “I’ve actually had to fly to Los Angeles,” Shona continued. “Had my blood done in the morning in Canada and flew to Los Angeles, had a blood test done and they diagnosed me [snapping fingers] like that.”

    Shona said it took three years in the Canadian health care system before she finally had surgery to remove the adrenal tumors. But she says her life and her eyesight were saved thanks to the American health care system.

    Shona has suffered vicious attacks at the hands of the Obama-bot bloggers who hate anyone who doesn’t worship at the Big O. She’s even been the brunt of harsh attacks by her own hometown newspaper for daring to speak out about the perils of government-run health care.

    “The people who are supposed to care about sick people, the backlash I’ve experienced since I’ve spoken out, I’m shocked,” Shona said. “I’m really shocked.”

    Welcome to the Obamination. What is becoming abundantly clear here these days is if America surrenders to government-run health care, it’s going to kill a lot of Canadians, too.
    "You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?' On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? -Romans 9:19-21 (NASB)

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    I have heard many good reviews about Canadian health care system.

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    The Canadian health care system is less expensive then the America one despite providing its people with more an better quality health care

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    Quote Originally Posted by starcraftzzz View Post
    The Canadian health care system is less expensive then the America one despite providing its people with more an better quality health care
    The opening post and the article it cites does not back up your opinion. Someone from a country with supposedly superior health care had to come to America to get treatment for a condition that would have otherwise killed her.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    ==37% of Americans don't get care, compared to 5% of candidaians. American number is deflated because you have to have Care to know you need more.


    A systematic review of studies comparing health outcomes in Canada and the United States | Guyatt | Array
    ==Comparisons of 38 studies on Canada and USA health care, finds Canada has better results.

    Preventable Deaths for selected countries, 1997-1998 and 2002-2003, issued 2008
    France best, U.S. worst in preventable death ranking | Reuters
    ==USA worst in preventable deaths.

    America spends 3.08 times more on health care per capita. Individual countries.
    1) Canada gets 30% more medical service for every dollar it spends than America does.
    A systematic review of studies comparing health outcomes in Canada and the United States | Guyatt | Array
    Canada overall has higher survival rates in the medical field and better care.
    3) American has the longest wait times. Canada has the 2nd longest yet their median wait times for elective surgeries were half that of Americans.

    Medical Tourism, separating facts from fiction | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary
    ^Americans that go to other countries to get heath care out number foreigners who come to America to get health care by 50%.

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    yes,Canadian health care system are really good.One of my friend had excellent experience of Canadian health care.

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    The Canadian health care system is really good and it is less expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebroad567 View Post
    The Canadian health care system is really good and it is less expensive.
    Indeed it is not. As has been explained previously the health care system of Canada is lacking in quality. A lower degree of expense coincides with a lower degree of care provided to those that are in need and forces those with serious conditions to seek medical help from abroad.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Well no doubt Canadian Health care system is very good.
    Unlike in the U.S., no resident of this nation is denied access to social insurance dependent upon whether he or she can manage to pay.
    Once you are in the system, the standard of care is excellent.
    Canada has one of the most expensive healthcare systems in the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer View Post
    Well no doubt Canadian Health care system is very good.
    Unlike in the U.S., no resident of this nation is denied access to social insurance dependent upon whether he or she can manage to pay.
    Once you are in the system, the standard of care is excellent.
    Canada has one of the most expensive healthcare systems in the world.
    It was reported on in a previous threat that in order to get into Canada's healthcare system foreigners must became Canadian citizens and must be citizens for a period of at least three years.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Yes Canadian Health Care system is really good and it costs less when compared to other health care systems,I also read some good reviews about this Canadian Health Care system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebroad567 View Post
    Yes Canadian Health Care system is really good and it costs less when compared to other health care systems,I also read some good reviews about this Canadian Health Care system.
    If one tries hard enough it is possible to find supporters of any position or proposal no matter how undesirable it is to the rest. However that ultimately changes nothing.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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