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    The TeaParty Downgrade

    Buried in the Standard & Poor downgrade of our nation's credit worthiness is S&P's focusing on TeaParty brinkmanship, extreme partisanship, pig-headed inability to compromise and a dogged refusal to raise the required revenues to bring about balance:
    The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options....

    Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now
    assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012,
    remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act....
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    What of the liberal party's unwillingness to compromise their own position? Rather than blaming conservatives for refusing to raise the debt ceiling why did they not instead look to cut the funding of unnecessary portions of government currently in existence. Numerous divisions, subdivisions, regulatory affairs committees, and other organizations have no legitimate claim to existence and their annual funding could help maintain other more important areas.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    It is a individuals, a company's, and a nation's willingness to in-debt themselves without the ability to pay that dictates the degree to which their credit is weak. I would laugh in derision at any rater of credit that maintained an entities good credit because they borrowed more money to make payments on existing debt.

    What you leftist now run about panicking over is what caused the tea party.

    The tea party exists because those of us who were not blinded by promises of hope and lies about the foundations of economics itself could see clearly that spending money that you don't have and have no way of getting is a sure recipe for bankruptcy. Who could see that the only way the money will ever be paid is by extreme injustice through the theft known as taxation.

    You think that we who saw the pit you dived into with a giant smile on your face and screamed for you to stop will now admit that it's our fault, even as you prepare to dig a deeper hole in the pit you already made in hopes that you will fill the pit with the soil you remove?

    If you didn't have a chain on our legs we would be laughing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    Buried in the Standard & Poor downgrade of our nation's credit worthiness is S&P's focusing on TeaParty brinkmanship, extreme partisanship, pig-headed inability to compromise and a dogged refusal to raise the required revenues to bring about balance:
    http://www.standardandpoors.com/serv...ervalue3=UTF-8
    Leave it to the "blame anyone else" liberals to ATTEMPT to divert attention to their own failings. Here we have the democratic party that had complete control of both houses and the presidency since 2008 yet in all that time they not only wrote 1 single budget, they have refused to consider a balanced budget amendment no matter how loudly the american people have screamed for one.

    Every failed policy we have in force today is theirs alone yet here is simone, socialisms most faithful lemming parroting the most recent party line in attempting to blame the Tea Party for our credit downgrade. And isn't it interesting that S&P waited until after the most recent debt ceiling crisis was dealt with before downgrading us below a AAA rating for the first time in our history.

    This president, if he is as intelligent as is claimed by his promoters and defenders must know that it was his failed policies that caused this continued economic malaise. But being a liar and a socialist in denial, he and his leftist progressive lemming followers like simone will never actually take responsibility for their failed economic philosophy that has never worked no matter which country has attempted to initiate it.

    But here we have this imbecile of a retarded president attempting to institute all of the policies western Europe is working hard at reversing after 20 years of abject failure. What does it say about Yobama and his followers like simone when they are so stupid that they will continue to impose failed policies that the rest of the west is abandoning?

    But wait, according to simone and the rest of Yobama's apologists it must be the Tea Party's fault because they want our Government to start spending within our means as a nation. How horrible and anti-american these domestic terrorists must be to want such a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    Leave it to the "blame anyone else" liberals to ATTEMPT to divert attention to their own failings. Here we have the democratic party that had complete control of both houses and the presidency since 2008 yet in all that time they not only wrote 1 single budget, they have refused to consider a balanced budget amendment no matter how loudly the american people have screamed for one.

    Every failed policy we have in force today is theirs alone yet here is simone, socialisms most faithful lemming parroting the most recent party line in attempting to blame the Tea Party for our credit downgrade. And isn't it interesting that S&P waited until after the most recent debt ceiling crisis was dealt with before downgrading us below a AAA rating for the first time in our history.

    This president, if he is as intelligent as is claimed by his promoters and defenders must know that it was his failed policies that caused this continued economic malaise. But being a liar and a socialist in denial, he and his leftist progressive lemming followers like simone will never actually take responsibility for their failed economic philosophy that has never worked no matter which country has attempted to initiate it.

    But here we have this imbecile of a retarded president attempting to institute all of the policies western Europe is working hard at reversing after 20 years of abject failure. What does it say about Yobama and his followers like simone when they are so stupid that they will continue to impose failed policies that the rest of the west is abandoning?

    But wait, according to simone and the rest of Yobama's apologists it must be the Tea Party's fault because they want our Government to start spending within our means as a nation. How horrible and anti-american these domestic terrorists must be to want such a thing.
    I am always amazed at someone who seems intelligent can be so blind, lost and confused with such consitancy. You see you and those who think like you bear a large portion of the blame. I don't mean conservative or liberal or Democrat or Republican by that either. I mean people who tolerate incomptenece from one side while actively seeking from the other. Your loyalty to conservatives and now The Tea Party is based more on your belief of what they stand for than what their actions show they stand for.

    Republicans and The Tea Party from his electrion have openly stated they want him to be a one term President. Anything that has passed coming from Democrats has been a fight. I can't recall seeing our government and population so divided. The Republicans are willing to crash the nation to gain control and for what? To implement plans that have only been moderatly succesful and only for short periods of time.

    What good is cutting corporate taxes if there is no incentive to put that money back into the economy domestically? If current laws encourage taking money offshore guess where that savings is going to go?

    The wealthiest people if given more money have shown what they will do with it. They keep it. It doesn't flow down to a middle or lower class as is theorized.

    If you want to save Medicare a good start would be negotiating price for perscription drugs.

    Take some responsibility for the problems we have. Nobody had an issue raising the debt ceiling the last hundred years, but now not a penny more.

    We can not simply reduce spending to get out of debt. Tax increases (Freedom cringes and yells nasty words at his monitor) will be necessary, but they can be distrubuted more evenly than is being proposed

    Democrats need to grasp the concept that much of what they feel is necessary really isn't even when the economy is good.

    It isn't the rich that put us in this situation and it isn't the rich who will get us out.

    The Tea Party are like a bull in a china factory. If nothing is left after their done who cares what they accomplished.

    Help Social Security by increasing incentives to save for retirement thus reducing the need for it.

    As I recall Republicans were given a mandate by the American people to create jobs and fix the economy. Fix the first you will fix the second.

    Both sides should be fired just about every single one of them. My only fear is the next crew would most likely be no better.

    Until they put aside their BS they will not pay the consequences we will.

    So keep sewing forth your conservative Republicans are always right and only they can save the country nonsense, they have failed just as miserably as Democrats, but if you keep trying to shift responsibility in the wrong direction what do you think is going to change? Nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    Every failed policy we have in force today is theirs alone yet here is simone, socialisms most faithful lemming parroting the most recent party line in attempting to blame the Tea Party for our credit downgrade. And isn't it interesting that S&P waited until after the most recent debt ceiling crisis was dealt with before downgrading us below a AAA rating for the first time in our history.
    Once again you show your ignorance of reality. Obama hasn't been able to enact any Policies of his own we are still under mostly the Policies put in place by Bush,., you know the FAILED policies that drove this nation into the ditch. S&P downgraded us because the Teabaggers don't understand economics and the fact that Revenues are going to have to be raised before we will ever gain stability in this economy. We're not totally out of the recession and the Teabaggers think that Cutting billions of dollars out of our economy will help us get back on track. They are wrong. Obama has his hands tied by Ideological Neo Conservatives who's only agenda is to get him out of office. They don't even understand what the debt ceiling is about. Congress is responsible for spending, not the President, so if they want to lay blame on over spending they should look in the mirror. They racked up this debt and just like always try to place all the blame on the Democrat.. It's pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    Your loyalty to conservatives and now The Tea Party is based more on your belief of what they stand for than what their actions show they stand for.
    You speak as if anything but principles should evoke loyalty. If zorba believes as I do that the chances of anyone with a collectivist philosophy has no chance of making the right choice of course we will choose an alternative, no matter how small the chance that they will make the right choice because it is still greater than zero.

    I will elect a bible quoting, gun carrying, confederate sympathizing, crude, stupid, and scandalous candidate that shows even the slightest indication of understanding the need to defend liberty over an intelligent, witty, well spoken, well educated, far-seeing, charismatic candidate that gives any indication that he believes in sacrificing liberty.

    If all the caricatures from the left are the believed that choice is put to me every election and I have done as I claimed I would.

    What intelligence and ability obama may have is a con, because his goals are wrong. Just as Limbaugh said, I want him to fail.

    Contrary to what the left has said about the right, no threat of theocracy or fascism has ever manifested even in the slightest. The greatest blame I can place on the right in general is that they are clueless as to where their values come from and that they come close to worshiping this nations ethos just because it's older than they are.

    But exactly as the right has warned the left has consistently sacrificed individual liberty for socialization and waste.

    I have yet to see one significant attack on the rights of man from the right since Vietnam.

    Homosexuals complain that they are repressed but the right has not proposed laws against homosexual sex, they are fighting over a definition.

    Some mad posters have claimed that rightist raise taxes just as much as leftist, but you know that is in general a lie, and when and where it is not is why the tea party distinguishes itself from the republican party.

    In general they do not waste money, they do not form extraneous government organizations, they do not regulate, do not nationalize. In short, in general they do as they say they will, and the same is true of the left.

    So what is it that they really stand for? No papillon, I am afraid the answer is not as convenient as the idea that pretenders and posers polarize the countries politics, we are not one big happy family after the same things. The people vote for people whom they agree with and for the most part those people do what they said they would. The conflict is real.

    It is a difficult thing to accept for a people who were raised on the brilliance of republican democracy as Americans are.

    The teabaggers are doing what they promised, bringing to light their stubbornness to raise the debt limit or cooperate with leftist plans for recovery is like showing a five star french buffet in a commercial to end world hunger.
    It's what we want them to be doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    Republicans and The Tea Party from his electrion have openly stated they want him to be a one term President.
    I wanted him to be a zero term president.

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    Anything that has passed coming from Democrats has been a fight.
    Of course, and vice versa. This is because these two in general disagree on a philosophical level and a billion debaters could not in a million years agree on policy when they do not agree on the goal.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    I can't recall seeing our government and population so divided.
    I can find a time that was even more divided in history books. The civil war. The greatest lesson I took from the civil war was not the war itself, but all the compromises and appeasement from both sides before the war; each serving only to prolong the festering evil that was slavery. Each based on the same hope that you seem to have that despite every evidence no fundamental disagreement exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    The Republicans are willing to crash the nation to gain control and for what?
    Republicans say the exact same thing about democrats, and it's silly then too.

    Both sides are following different philosophies. Neither sees themselves as the crasher but the savior.

    You ask for what? To save the nation, by crashing the democrats plans. Just as the democrats fight with all their ability republican initiatives, not because they want to sieze power but because they think it's the right thing to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    To implement plans that have only been moderatly succesful and only for short periods of time.
    To what end? Their goal is primarily to undo everything that obama and his predecessors have done. This is not a plan proper, but an anti-plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    What good is cutting corporate taxes if there is no incentive to put that money back into the economy domestically?
    It's a step towards more perfect morality.

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    If current laws encourage taking money offshore guess where that savings is going to go?
    Then destroy those laws that encourage this, they almost certainly are not justified anyway.

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    The wealthiest people if given more money have shown what they will do with it.
    Then give them no more than you have a right to take, which is nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    They keep it. It doesn't flow down to a middle or lower class as is theorized.
    Whoever has told you that 'the theory' is that money will flow from the rich to the middle or poor is either a fool or a liar.

    The wealth does flow but those flows sum to positives in the end, the theory predicts no net change but growth, certainly not a change in ratios.

    Capitalism is not a system of distribution even if some describe it in such terms to compare it to the marxist family of political economies. In capitalism a trader (note the omission of consumer vs producer distinction, they are both members of the trader class) is like a catalyst which fuels the general production of other traders in the system. A catalyst is not consumed (the wealth removed). No one (sane) expects the rich to get less rich, they expect everyone to get more rich and there is where what data is applicable agrees with theory.

    We have discussed the need for significant investment, this is how 'rich' entities support and accelerate the production of all. If they do not invest, it is the loss of a potential benefit not a true detriment. Even when they invest it is not 'flowing to the middle classes'. All 'classes' are responsible for their own wealth, a handout is literally charity.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    If you want to save Medicare a good start would be negotiating price for perscription drugs.
    I don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    Take some responsibility for the problems we have. Nobody had an issue raising the debt ceiling the last hundred years, but now not a penny more.
    The problems we have is that people are trying to raise the debt ceiling to borrow money to pay of loans. This is exactly how individuals destroy their credit as well BTW.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    We can not simply reduce spending to get out of debt. Tax increases
    I will tell you how to get out of debt, we aren't in debt. I never agreed to pay for any stimulus or what not and I doubt you did either. The united states government has defrauded it's lenders, and let the citizen who would claim responsibility for the mad spending pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    (Freedom cringes and yells nasty words at his monitor)
    Indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    Help Social Security by increasing incentives to save for retirement thus reducing the need for it.
    No! No incentives, no schemes or plans of any kind.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    As I recall Republicans were given a mandate by the American people to create jobs and fix the economy. Fix the first you
    will fix the second.
    The white house says that the government doesn't create jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by pappillion001 View Post
    So keep sewing forth your conservative Republicans are always right and only they can save the country nonsense, they have failed just as miserably as Democrats, but if you keep trying to shift responsibility in the wrong direction what do you think is going to change? Nothing
    They may fail at saving the country, but what tea partiers really claim is that they would also fail where the democrats succeeded... at damning the country.

    You cannot light a fire and then claim that everyone else in the room is equally responsible just because they will be burned as well, and they have no better fire extinguisher than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcaliber View Post
    Obama hasn't been able to enact any Policies of his own we are still under mostly the Policies put in place by Bush,., you know the FAILED policies that drove this nation into the ditch.
    Wow, a president that had all of congress and yet couldn't pass any of his policies...seems like a failed leader to me. The republicans were down for the count and yet the democrats still managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory


    S&P downgraded us because the Teabaggers don't understand economics and the fact that Revenues are going to have to be raised before we will ever gain stability in this economy.
    S&P downgraded based upon the debt reduction bill not doing anything. If I recall correctly many of the Tea Party folks voted "NO". And even though S&P stated we need revenue increases they also stated we need reductions in SS and Medicare which is something the democrats 100% said "NO" to.

    We're not totally out of the recession and the Teabaggers think that Cutting billions of dollars out of our economy will help us get back on track.
    I don't understand why you think we should stick with our fake economy as opposed to regrouping and doing it right.

    Congress is responsible for spending, not the President, so if they want to lay blame on over spending they should look in the mirror.
    Funny, you were advocating blaming President's, not congress, one month ago. You said it was "traditional" to blame the president which is why you kept mentioned Bush every time the debt was brought up. Now you want to blame Congress? Fine, the biggest deficits since FY08 have come from a congress that was DEMOCRAT controlled. The REPUBLICANS were in charge of congress last time we "balanced" the budget.

    The top 10 largest deficits by fiscal year (in constant dollars since 1950) are as follows:

    FY09 - Democrat Congress
    FY10 - Democrat Congress
    FY08 - Democrat Congress
    FY91 - Democrat Congress
    FY04 - Republican Congress
    FY03 - Republican Congress
    FY90 - Democrat Congress
    FY06 - Republican Congress
    FY92 - Democrat Congress
    FY05 - Republican Congress
    *Note this data wasn't verified to look at who passed the budget that year since FY overlaps election year

    That would be 6 outta 10.

    They racked up this debt and just like always try to place all the blame on the Democrat.. It's pathetic.
    And like always you have no clue what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcaliber View Post
    Once again you show your ignorance of reality. Obama hasn't been able to enact any Policies of his own we are still under mostly the Policies put in place by Bush,., you know the FAILED policies that drove this nation into the ditch.
    WOW; you're either completely stupid or a blatant liar to say such a thing. This militant environmentalist whack job of a president is regulating us into economic oblivion and you say he hasn't been able to enact any of his policies?

    Check out this link: Obama’s EPA Regulations Destroying Economy & Depriving Citizens of Necessities The perpetual view's Blog

    From the LINK: Obama’s EPA Regulations based on Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development are destroying businesses and depriving citizens of necessities across the nation. Unfortunately the Debt Ceiling debate was providing cover while some of these regulations were being implemented. Below is a letter to the editor I wrote that was published August 3 in the Democrat Gazette (but with key elements of the letter I sent in omitted) that is typical of numerous regulations. It is not enough that our government is taking a major food staple, corn, and converting it into an alternate fuel , and exploiting us with skyrocketing electricity prices – both of which increase the price of groceries exponentially; but now they are going to starve us through directly regulating agriculture.

    Two headlines recently caught my attention: ”Hundreds endure heat for help in paying electricity bills” and “EPA tells coal-fired plants: Reduce pollution or shut down.” While thousands across the nation are suffering triple digit degree weather, many with utility bills already shut off; Obama is busy increasing the price of electricity.

    American Electric Company in Ohio reported: ”Because of the unrealistic compliance timelines in the EPA proposals, we will have to prematurely shut down nearly 25 percent of our current coal-fueled generating capacity cut hundreds of good power plant jobs [600 with annual wages totaling approximately $40 million], and invest billions of dollars [$6 to $8 billion] in capital to retire, retrofit and replace coal-fueled power plants…said Michael G. Morris, AEP chairman.”

    Remember "Obama" said, “Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” Obama is governing by the motto “Never waste a crisis.” Higher electricity prices are a hidden tax that promote Obama’s plan of redistribution of wealth since some of us will pay for our own higher electricity bills while also paying taxes to pay for those who can’t afford them.

    S&P downgraded us because the Teabaggers don't understand economics and the fact that Revenues are going to have to be raised before we will ever gain stability in this economy. We're not totally out of the recession and the Teabaggers think that Cutting billions of dollars out of our economy will help us get back on track.
    I marvel at how you infer I am ignorant when you sound absolutely stupid in claiming the Tea Party holds any responsibility at all for this economic debacle we find ourselves in. All the Tea Party has ever asked this administration for is fiscal restraint and you seem to be implying that demanding that this administration actually act responsibly has caused this credit downgrade. You prove just how irrational and delusional you are as a lunatic leftist to blame a citizens group for the actions of an administration that controls the Whitehouse. It boggles the mind that you can even assert such foolishness.

    They are wrong. Obama has his hands tied by Ideological Neo Conservatives who's only agenda is to get him out of office. They don't even understand what the debt ceiling is about. Congress is responsible for spending, not the President, so if they want to lay blame on over spending they should look in the mirror. They racked up this debt and just like always try to place all the blame on the Democrat.. It's pathetic.
    Obviously its you who doesn't understand what the debt ceiling is since it's the President who either signs or vetoes the spending bills submitted to him by Congress. If he really wanted to practice fiscal restraint all he had to do was veto what Congress sent him, a democratic congress in the last session, mind you. But noooooooo, between him and the two houses during the last session they pushed through spending bills worth many hundreds of billions of dollars in the middle of the night and never even sought the input from the republican minority.

    They spent like drunken fools to the tune of spending millions of dollars to produce each job that bolstered the public sector rather than create jobs in the private sector where the economy lives and breathes. Everything this president has done has given us a massively bloated government which just places more strain on the tax payer to support an obese government that consumes our resources rather than creates an atmosphere for creating jobs and growing the economy.

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    Here's more: Obama is anti-business, Forbes and Zuckerman say – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    Now, try educating yourself before dishonestly blaming a citizens group for the anti business and big government tax and spend policies of this socialist wannabe dictator. And notice the source is CNN, not FOX...

    Washington (CNN) – Just days after President Obama signed landmark legislation increasing oversight of Wall Street, he is again being slammed for being anti-business.
    Asked about recent perceptions among business leaders that Obama is not in their corner, Steve Forbes, chairman and CEO of Forbes, Inc., agreed with that assessment.

    Related video: Forbes, Zuckerman on the economy, Obama, the business community
    “Well, the president clearly is [anti-business],” Forbes, a former Republican presidential hopeful, said in an interview that aired Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union. “I mean you can take excesses [of some on Wall Street] and tar the whole business community, which is like taking election fraud and saying that's why we shouldn't have free elections. He caricatures them, and you saw it in that letter that his top aides sent to the Business Roundtable saying our doors are open even to the business community.”
    Forbes told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley that the Obama administration would do well to heed some of the business community’s concerns.

    “The business community employs 110 million people; companies and the people who work with them pay most of the taxes in this country. That's where the innovation comes from,” he said.
    “So whenever business talks about the need for a stable currency, about the need for a better tax code, they always say, oh, well they're always whining, that's what they always want as if there's some dog that keeps barking or baby crying on an airplane instead of dealing with the substance of the thing. And that is: when you have a tax environment where you don't punish success, where you don't trample on the rule of laws – as they did with Chrysler and other situations - where you can trust the currency, where you're not going to have massive, thousands of new rules come and hit you, and you have no idea what they're going to be, they don't take that stuff seriously. They just think they're a bunch of greedy crybabies, and the business community is reacting to that.”
    Mort Zuckerman, a prominent supporter of Obama's campaign and the editor-in-chief of U.S. News & World Report, told Crowley that he believes Obama’s rhetoric when it comes to the business community runs counter to the kind of confidence the economy needs right now to turn itself around.
    “I'm not saying that Washington hasn't tried to do some good things,” Zuckerman told Crowley. “They've also done some things that I think are really, really very, very counter to trying to get this economy growing.
    “One of them is not only regulation, but expensive regulation. The other is - and they've done something here that affects everybody's confidence in the attitudes of this administration to the business community and to the economy - they've demonized the business world; they've blamed everything on the business world. Frankly, I don't think that's accurate, but more than that, it's counterproductive to what this administration wants, which is a much more optimistic and confident business community.”
    As passage of the Wall Street reform bill seemed imminent, the White House began battling the perception that it is anti-business. The top Republican in the House recently called for a moratorium on new federal regulations as a way to provide more certainty to businesses and the Chamber of Commerce, one of the key national voices on behalf of business interests, slammed the White House for not doing enough to create jobs. In a letter posted on its website, the chamber said the Obama administration "vilified industries while embarking on an ill-advised course of government expansion, major tax increases, massive deficits and job-destroying regulations."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    I don't understand why you think we should stick with our fake economy as opposed to regrouping and doing it right.
    Because they are not talking about " regrouping" they are talking about destroying America. Cutting billions of dollars out of an already weak economy is ignorant, period.

    Like the radical right you continue to blame social security and medicare for the economic woes of this nation when IN FACT the programs are only a threat because the Republican party under Bush Implemented policy that was designed to drive these programs into the red so they could gain support for eliminating them. And now the Tea Party is intentionally destroying the economy because they know that is the only way they can ever beat Obama.

    Democrats over the years have been a tax and spend Party, where as Republicans have been mostly a Borrow and spend. It's been proven time and time again that borrow and spend does not work and leads to budget deficits. Clinton relied mostly on a Pay as you go approach and raised revenues to levels that would assure we were able to actually pay for any spending we did, Bush screwed that all up by Eliminating the revenues that were coming in . 8 years of borrowing to pay debt and borrowing to fund wars added to the decrease in revenues and we now have this economy. Obama was forced to continue a BORROW and spend approach because of the lack of revenues.. and then he screwed up and extended the Tax cuts , basically keeping us under Bush policies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    And like always you have no clue what you're talking about.
    I know perfectly well what I'm talking about and your failure to admit it or realize the truth of the matter only shows you don't know what YOU are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    WOW; you're either completely stupid or a blatant liar to say such a thing. This militant environmentalist whack job of a president is regulating us into economic oblivion and you say he hasn't been able to enact any of his policies?
    Show me economic policy that Obama has passed since he's been in office.. You're about as ignorant as anyone I've had the displeasure of crossing on this forum.

    The Tea Party is all about getting Obama out of office, they don't care what they do to the economy or the nation as long as Obama is a one term President.

    The only thing that Obama has been able to pass is Health Care.. and it's working so what have you proven.. Nothing.
    "You're too stupid to be saved." -- EasyRider.


    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    I marvel at how you infer I am ignorant when you sound absolutely stupid in claiming the Tea Party holds any responsibility at all for this economic debacle we find ourselves in. All the Tea Party has ever asked this administration for is fiscal restraint and you seem to be implying that demanding that this administration actually act responsibly has caused this credit downgrade. You prove just how irrational and delusional you are as a lunatic leftist to blame a citizens group for the actions of an administration that controls the Whitehouse. It boggles the mind that you can even assert such foolishness.
    Look The Tea Party Congress Agreed to and passed a budget back in April of this year, you remember, the first hostage situation where they forced their view on the American people by passing THEIR budget. Raising the Debt Ceiling was about PAYING for the money they had already spent.. not about spending more. They are directly to blame for this current situation.. if they had taken the 4 trillion dollar deal Obama offered up front they might have actually helped the situation, but they are so fearful of raising taxes on billionaires that they can't see through the stupidity long enough to actually pass something that will help.
    Last edited by admin; 08-10-2011 at 01:34 PM. Reason: name calling
    "You're too stupid to be saved." -- EasyRider.


    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
    Epicurus

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    Congress cannot keep borrowing money from foreign countries to continue paying for its private interests of maintaining big government. Cuts to government spending, and government itself, must be made in order to help bring the budget under control.

    Does anyone possess a systematic breakdown of all the programs being funded by government annually and how much money goes to each of these programs? Perhaps instead of lambasting the Tea Party movement we should instead be looking at the spending taking place and debate what programs we can do without. Maybe make staffing cuts to various organizations that receive government funding on the grounds of their numbers being excessive for the specified task of their existence.

    Referring to others as stupid and yelling "you're to blame for his mess" are not conductive strategies for addressing the problem.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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