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    Mission Accomplished ?

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    We ousted a genocidal maniac dictator who was funding terrorists and threatening other sovereign nations. We greatly reduced the suffering of women in Iraq, they can now go to school, vote, run businesses, etc. We supervised the first real elections in decades. The list goes on.
    As far as WMD's, they had them, this was never in question. The U.S. said they had them, the U.N. said the had them, the international inspectors saw them, they used them on the Kurds. What hasn't been discovered, at least not publicly, is what they did with them or who they sold them to. "They" being Saddam and his regime.
    There is no doubt that the world a better place without Saddam Insane and his regime.

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    Yeah, Lurch!

    Don't you know he was a good guy??? He was just a little misunderstood!

    His torturing of his citizens, his sons raping women, his hate of America- it was all just harmless, playful fun and games!

    (By the way this is sarcasm. Some people can't tell.).

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    The war was a success, but a costly success. Yes we paid a high price. But considering what good came of it, I'd say that the results justify the cost.

    We didn't go into Rwanda, look what happened there.

    Where would we be if we did nothing after September 11th and simply rolled over? How many more successful mass bombings would be carried out on our soil? How many thousands would be killed in the name of Jihad right here in America if we didn't demonstrate a show of force and determination?

    How would things have been if Hussein was allowed to continue being in power? Can you honestly say that we should've just remained on the sidelines and let the crimes against humanity continue? Do you have any idea what conditions were like for women before we stepped in and actually did something in response?

    Or maybe you're one of those who likes the idea of men being able to own women like they're property. Maybe the idea of women having no rights is something that sounds like a good idea to you. Maybe genocidal dictators are the kind of ruling government you support.

    All in favor of Saddam's reign, raise your reich hand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NATO 556 View Post
    The war was a success, but a costly success. Yes we paid a high price. But considering what good came of it, I'd say that the results justify the cost.

    We didn't go into Rwanda, look what happened there.
    Did we ever get around to going to rwanda eventually? You make it sound like america is in the business of going around saving badly ruled regimes from tyranical or negligent rulers....

    Where would we be if we did nothing after September 11th and simply rolled over? How many more successful mass bombings would be carried out on our soil? How many thousands would be killed in the name of Jihad right here in America if we didn't demonstrate a show of force and determination?
    I don't know how good your memory is, but I remember after we started the war al qaeda executed successful terrorist attacks in spain and england, and were planning to XXXX up more planes in the us (you know, mixing liquids in soda bottles). Now you can't even take a bottle of lotion on a plane. And the invasion in iraq did nothing to help prevent any of it.

    How would things have been if Hussein was allowed to continue being in power? Can you honestly say that we should've just remained on the sidelines and let the crimes against humanity continue? Do you have any idea what conditions were like for women before we stepped in and actually did something in response?
    That's right, in the few years we've been in iraq, we've killed more iraqis than saddam has in his 30 years of tyranny there. Not to mention the destruction of whole cities and thousands of homes and buildings. Thank allah that we went over there to make things better for the iraqis.

    Or maybe you're one of those who likes the idea of men being able to own women like they're property. Maybe the idea of women having no rights is something that sounds like a good idea to you. Maybe genocidal dictators are the kind of ruling government you support.

    All in favor of Saddam's reign, raise your reich hand!
    Would you be in favor of hunting bin laden and eradicating al qaeda? Because that's exactly what we DIDN'T do in the interest of pursuing the invasion of iraq
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    The real problem with the war in Iraq and why it was not much of a success is that we fought it the same way we fought in Vietnam.

    Anti-war sentiment made it so we sent in just enough troops to do waht we needed but only as long as near zero die.

    If we fought the same way as we did in WWII then we would be able to weed out the terrorists while helping the citizens find shelter and care. All this with minimal casualties because there would not be the years the terrorists had to set traps and the like.

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    War is a sad situation and its nature is brutal, but there are times when action is needed. And I will thank you to remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fartingle View Post
    The real problem with the war in Iraq and why it was not much of a success is that we fought it the same way we fought in Vietnam.

    Anti-war sentiment made it so we sent in just enough troops to do waht we needed but only as long as near zero die.

    If we fought the same way as we did in WWII then we would be able to weed out the terrorists while helping the citizens find shelter and care. All this with minimal casualties because there would not be the years the terrorists had to set traps and the like.
    You did fight the war in Iraq the same way as in WW11 first of all and creamed the Iraqi forces then it went to rats s*it because you carried ON fighting like it was WW11...or should I say we did...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fartingle View Post
    War is a sad situation and its nature is brutal, but there are times when action is needed. And I will thank you to remember that.
    Right, and it doesn't matter what action we take. When you're required to attack somebody, you damn well better find somebody to attack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    After seven years of occupation, a trillion dollar in expenses and hundreds of thousands of dead and lifetime injured Iraqis plus thousands of Americans killed and wounded, can we honestly say that the war in Iraq was a victory? I don’t think so; Iraq is no democracy today and never will be. No WOMD were ever found, no connection to Osama bin laden either. So, apart from gaining access to Iraqi oil what else was achieved?
    Well I think we will have to see if the place goes to hell again to decide this question.

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    America is going to hell because it has taken on Old Rome ideas about empire-building, while America itself is wasting away, its resources spent on a dwindling military.

    The ideals of America have been trashed by the right wing.

    The idea of America in the Declaration of Independence and its Constitution is a liberal idea which has been thoroughly compromised by the Reich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    The ideals of America have been trashed by the right wing.
    Really? Because I don't see where socialism, collectivism, anti-upper class policies, government programs, or government control of the economy were mentioned in the Constitution, then were brushed off by Conservatives. Care to point it out to me?

    The idea of America in the Declaration of Independence and its Constitution is a liberal idea which has been thoroughly compromised by the Reich.
    You should write for Leno.

    Name me a single founding father who was demonstrably liberal, like Pelosi, Clinton, or Obama.

    Also, show me where left-wing ideology is reflected in the Constitution. Show me where the Constitution says that it's the job of the government to provide your healthcare, that the government should do anything at all with the economy, .

    And explain to me how you're a supporter of the Constitution when you think guns should be banned, thus violating the second amendment (and I imagine you think they should be confiscated, violating the fourth). I also imagine you supported Pelosi's so-called "fairness doctrine" which would violate the first amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    America is going to hell because it has taken on Old Rome ideas about empire-building, while America itself is wasting away, its resources spent on a dwindling military.

    The ideals of America have been trashed by the right wing.

    The idea of America in the Declaration of Independence and its Constitution is a liberal idea which has been thoroughly compromised by the Reich.
    rofl (simone)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    This is what Blix had to say about WOMDs
    This pretty much sums up your argument. If your going to gleen your information from the likes of this repeatedly discredited baffoon, then you deserve your ignorance.
    Fortunatly for you, ignorance can be cured. I encourage you to seek information from more accurate sources and re-evaluate your position.

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    Well then, Smith, instead of always criticizing everything as always being wrong, how about you tell us just what it would've taken for the war in Iraq to be considered a success for the American people?
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    He should practice what he preaches.

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