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    Iran woman escapes stoning death for adultery

    Iran woman escapes stoning death for adultery
    But it is not clear whether they have lifted the death sentence against Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, who has been in prison in Tabriz since 2006.
    The 43-year-old had already been punished with flogging for an "illicit relationship" outside marriage when another court tried her for adultery.
    There has been an international campaign to prevent her being stoned.
    UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said stoning was a "medieval punishment" and that its continued use showed Iran's disregard for human rights.
    "If the punishment is carried out, it will disgust and appal the watching world," he told a news conference in London on Thursday.
    Under Iran's strict interpretation of Islamic law, sex before marriage is punishable by 100 lashes, but married offenders are sentenced to death by stoning. The stones used must be large enough to cause the condemned pain, but not sufficient to kill immediately.
    Ms Ashtiani's lawyer and human rights activists had warned that her execution was imminent, after appeals for clemency were rejected.
    In May 2006, a criminal court in East Azerbaijan province found Ms Ashtiani guilty of having had an "illicit relationship" with two men following the death of her husband. She was given 99 lashes.
    But that September, during the trial of a man accused of murdering her husband, another court reopened an adultery case based on events that allegedly took place before her husband died.
    Despite retracting a confession the she said she had been forced to make under duress, Ms Ashtiani was found guilty.

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    My question was:

    "Where are the two men she supposedly had sex with?"
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    And people wonder why we're so hostile toward the Iranians? This is a fine example of why.
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    Well, last I heard, the government changed the charges from adultery to murder. What the truth of the matter is, who knows...

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    This might sound paranoid, but I think the courts are so misogynistic that they want to kill her, just because she's a woman. They're looking for an excuse to kill her. That might sound paranoid, but after reading about how appallingly misogynistic the Taliban and its supporters are, it will make more sense.
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    punishment

    Hello there.

    I had never asked myself what was the punishment for adultery in the Bible before, but this topic made me google a minute. Forgive me if you find my sources are not good enough, I'm a total ignorant concerning holy scriptures. But here's what I've found:


    Under the law of Moses the penalty was death by stoning. (Deuteronomy 22:21 ff, John 8:4,5).
    Source: Adultery and the Bible

    Another quote for the same law:

    22.22 “If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman and the woman; so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
    Source: Old Testament Stoning to Death Punishments. Qur’an – Bible.

    The next link incidentally brought me back to the more general topic of death penalty:

    The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:

    * Murder
    * Adultery
    * Bestiality
    * Rape
    * Homosexual sex
    * A betrothed woman who does not cry out while being raped
    * A woman who is found not to have been a virgin on the night of her wedding
    * Worshiping other gods
    * Witchcraft
    * Taking God's name in vain or cursing God's name
    * Cursing a parent
    * Kidnapping
    Source: Crime and punishment in the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That seems to be included in the old testament.

    And to my surprise i've also found this:

    Lust

    27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
    Source: Passage: Matthew 5:27-30 (ESV Bible Online)

    So I wondered what christians could think of this, if the word of Jesus should be literraly applied, in this particular case. Is the new testament and its various possible interpretations the only reference for believers or is the old one still taken into account? It seemed to me that we talk a lot about the sharia in muslim countries, so I wondered if muslims were more respectful of their traditions ( "stoning as punishment for sexual sin is not prescribed in the Qur'an, but is prescribed in the hadith—oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad" - Adultery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), or if christians got soft. Again, if I looked into the wrong pages or if I misunderstood something, my apologies, this post was made after pure curiosity.
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    It all appears to part of a scheme by the male dominated government to keep women down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COBHC View Post
    My question was:

    "Where are the two men she supposedly had sex with?"
    Who cares? Those in charge certainly do not. It is like when a woman is raped. The man says it was not rape, just consensual sex. The man gets a slap on the wrist, the woman gets hard punishment.

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    The last time I had adulterous sex ,we were both stoned.

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    ouch

    Did it hurt bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivortex View Post
    Did it hurt bad?
    A little bit sore in the morning maybe but not too bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivortex View Post
    Hello there.

    I had never asked myself what was the punishment for adultery in the Bible before, but this topic made me google a minute. Forgive me if you find my sources are not good enough, I'm a total ignorant concerning holy scriptures. But here's what I've found:




    Source: Adultery and the Bible

    Another quote for the same law:



    Source: Old Testament Stoning to Death Punishments. Qur’an – Bible.

    The next link incidentally brought me back to the more general topic of death penalty:



    Source: Crime and punishment in the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That seems to be included in the old testament.

    And to my surprise i've also found this:



    Source: Passage: Matthew 5:27-30 (ESV Bible Online)

    So I wondered what christians could think of this, if the word of Jesus should be literraly applied, in this particular case. Is the new testament and its various possible interpretations the only reference for believers or is the old one still taken into account?
    The sin remains a sin in the New Testament. But the only two 'enforcers' of punishment in the NT are God (see Acts 5) and / or government (see Romans 13).
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    "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." ---Steven Weinberg

    These are wise words in my opinion. Without religion we would have much less Evil in this world. Stoning is a religious teaching, If Christians followed their Bible as they claim they too would practice this abomination , but Christians are the High and Mighty of all religion, they pick and choose what they want to practice....
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    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcaliber View Post
    Without religion we would have much less Evil in this world. "
    You're deluded, as usual.

    Next time you're down and out TRY FINDING A BITTER ATHEIST'S HOMELESS SHELTER.

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    He's the rational one. You're in the projection booth again.
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