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    A citizen

    Is one, in a federal system like the USA, a citizen of the country first or of the individual state first?
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    mata is offline stating the obvious- Bye!
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    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
    -Senator Carl Schurz speech in the Senate, February 29, 1872.
    This chief point of importance relates to citizenship. Citizenship? We have none! In place of it we teach patriotism which Samuel Johnson said a hundred and forty or a hundred and fifty years ago was the last refuge of the scoundrel -- and I believe that he was right. I remember when I was a boy I heard repeated and repeated time and time again the phrase, 'My country, right or wrong, my country!' How absolutely absurd is such an idea. How absolutely absurd to teach this idea to the youth of the country....

    Yet to-day in the public schools we teach our children to salute the flag, and this is our idea of instilling in them patriotism. And this so-called patriotism we mistake for citizenship; but if there is a stain on that flag it ought not to be honored, even if it is our flag. The true citizenship is to protect the flag from dishonor -- to make it the emblem of a nation that is known to all nations as true and honest and honorable. And we should forever forget that old phrase -- 'My country, right or wrong, my country!'

    It may be that we must learn our lessons of citizenship on the East Side in the Children's Theater. There the true principles of true life which mean true citizenship are being taught to those boys and girls who are to be the future citizens of America. First of all they are taught self-respect and confidence. They are taught that the true motives of life are to reach for the highest ideals. The dramas that they play have morals that tend toward this aim. And best of all, they are taught to act for themselves and to think for themselves. It is this self-thinking that goes to make up the true public opinion. We say we have public opinion in America. We have none. We only think second hand. How many of us are there to-day who know whether it is better for the country to have a tariff or free trade? The only opinions most of us have on this subject are the opinions derived second hand from certain men who seek to influence us to their way of thinking, and their way of thinking is generally in a direction that will subserve their own private ends or the ends of the party which they represent. So, you see, we have no citizenship, and our so-called patriotism is a patriotism that is employed for the benefit of political parties and is made a party cry.
    -Mark Twain True Patriotism at the Children's Theater 1907
    How did we get from "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right" to "My country, right or wrong, my country!" to "Believe in something! Even if it's wrong, BELIEVE in it!" ???

    We have no citizenship & there is no one to blame. We is them.

    THINK & ACT FOR YOURSELF, SCHMUCK! (& for Pan's sake! - think more than twice & aim for the higher ground!)
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    One is an individual first.

    Any contradiction in 'duty' between state citizen ship, federal citizenship, or citizen of the planet must be dealt with by moral and then practical analysis. There is no principle of state duty because there is no principle of duty at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew S View Post
    Is one, in a federal system like the USA, a citizen of the country first or of the individual state first?
    Both. We retain all federal rights where ever we go and obtain the rights of whatever specific state we happen to be in at that moment.

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