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    UK General Election 6th May

    Gordon Brown went to the Queen to request the dissolution of parliament on Tuesday, so we're in to the campaign for the general election, which will be held on 6th May. For those who don't know, this is election for the house of commons, 650 Members of Parliament, each elected by a constituency with a population around the 100k mark requiring a plurality of votes in their constituency.

    It looks like being a close election, with key marginal seats having both major parties, Labour and Conservative, neck and neck. It looks likely that the Conservatives will be the largest party, but will not have a majority in the commons, and may be outnumbered by an alliance between Labour and the Liberal Democrats. A hung parliament, as this situation is known, hasn't happened in my lifetime, but will likely result in a radical overhaul of the voting system, possibly replacing the current system with the Alternative Vote, or with the top-up system used in Scotland and Wales, to ensure fairer representation.

    Away from the main result, there is a risk of the Neo-Nazi BNP taking a seat, and the hope (rather more likely, thankfully) that the Green Party will take their first seat, in Brighton. Other interesting things to watch will be performance of pro-independence parties in Scotland and Wales, particularly with polling indicating a small majority in favour of independence in Scotland if a Conservative government is elected in Westminster.

    The main story of this election is whether loathing of the Conservatives or anger with Labour is the more powerful emotion, or weather voters will declare a plague on both your houses and either abstain or vote for smaller parties less tarnished by the expenses scandal and years of warmongering.

    Discuss!
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    I took a test at

    Welcome to the Vote for Policies Survey - Vote for Policies - Vote for policies, not personalities!

    and got my results as 33% lib Dem, 33% Green Party, 22% Labour and 11% UKIP.

    I am doing further reading on the Lib Dems and they will probably be getting my vote even though I disagree with their Trident policy. I can not see myself voting for any of the other parties. Still, my vote is perhaps more important than most as my constituency is closely fought over between the Tories and Lib Dems.

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    Yeah, did that one too, got 100% Green, as if anyone was surprised.
    “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
    “It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
    "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
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    The campaign is getting very interesting. The liberal democrats, the third party in British politics (in one guise or another) for almost a century, have drawn level with the other main parties, and there are only a few points between all of them. They won't win, or even be the largest party, because of imbalances in the electoral system, but it is looking inevitable that there will be a hung parliament, and we will get electoral reform.
    “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
    “It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
    "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
    "We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

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    I have really enjoyed the T.V debates, it certainly got people talking. Unfortunately, due to the increasing popularity of the Lib Dems, I can no longer vote for them. When it only determined my local MP they were palatable but I won't endorse them to run the country.

    My choice now comes down to whether I can be arsed to spoil my ballot paper or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99%BEEF View Post
    I have really enjoyed the T.V debates, it certainly got people talking. Unfortunately, due to the increasing popularity of the Lib Dems, I can no longer vote for them. When it only determined my local MP they were palatable but I won't endorse them to run the country.

    My choice now comes down to whether I can be arsed to spoil my ballot paper or not.
    There's no risk of them getting a majority, don't worry. The system is rigged too heavily against them. They just need enough votes to force electoral reform through. If they come out as the largest party by vote share but third in the number of seats (as looks more than possible), then there will be real impetus to change the voting system.
    “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
    “It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
    "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
    "We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

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    Compared to the US it is like left vs lefter vs leftest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    Compared to the US it is like left vs lefter vs leftest.

    That kind of indicates how far right the post-Bush US is skewed......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    Compared to the US it is like left vs lefter vs leftest.
    Yes, thank goodness, but unfortunately compared to most of Europe it's just the opposite, and in fact the main parties are to the right of the average voter, because of the influence of big business on our politics.
    “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
    “It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
    "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
    "We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

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    Is there any debate on the fascism engulfing britain, with its increasing regulation of social habits and pervasive government surveillance, or is this accepted by all parties as the neccessary counter to the crime wave brought about by gun prohibition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Symbiote View Post
    Is there any debate on the fascism engulfing britain, with its increasing regulation of social habits and pervasive government surveillance, or is this accepted by all parties as the neccessary counter to the crime wave brought about by gun prohibition?
    Are you trying to set a record for how many times you can beg the question in a single post?
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    “It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
    "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
    "We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penfold View Post
    That kind of indicates how far right the post-Bush US is skewed......
    Actually we have gone more left since the start of Bush.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Bennett
    Yes, thank goodness, but unfortunately compared to most of Europe it's just the opposite, and in fact the main parties are to the right of the average voter, because of the influence of big business on our politics.
    Are you going to blame big business for everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    Actually we have gone more left since the start of Bush.

    Are you going to blame big business for everything?
    Only the things they're responsible for. Just look at the hatchet job the Murdoch press has been doing on Nick Clegg now it looks like he might have a chance of winning. That's before we get into lobbying and the power of the CBI, who opposed the minimum wage and every increase in it.
    “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
    “It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
    "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
    "We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Bennett View Post
    Only the things they're responsible for. Just look at the hatchet job the Murdoch press has been doing on Nick Clegg now it looks like he might have a chance of winning. That's before we get into lobbying and the power of the CBI, who opposed the minimum wage and every increase in it.
    I have been following the elections on BBC.

    I understand Nick Clegg is the fresh face , the new darling so as to speak but what does he stand for other than being "not Labor or Tory".

    What are his stands on immigration ? in the last debate he said he favours amnesty for illegels to bring them out of the shadows. I think thats a good idea. what do others think?

    He is for joining the EURO - given the current state of Euro crisis due to Greece - how does that fit in? If Britain had joined the Euro, it would have to fork over billions to bail out Greece now.

    Does anybody know Nick Clegg's views on the EU constitution? Does he want Britain to adopt it?

    If you want change fine and good but is it the change you want? If you designate Nick the king maker it matters.

    If the country wants to adopt the EU constitution, EURO, than Nick's your man. By all means if the majority of Britons want that - go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    Actually we have gone more left since the start of Bush.

    Are you going to blame big business for everything?

    But there are some curious peculiar things which don't fit the definition of left and right .

    Bush was right but had "liberal" views on illegal immigration. Reagan gave amnesty to MILLIONS of illegal immigrants. Any "left" politician in Europe who did that would lose elections in Europe in a wink of an eye. They even have problems with Eastern European EU immigrants, imagine giving amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants in Europe!!

    Most European parties on the left are against illegal immigrants and indeed there are no illegal immigrants marching and demanding rights as it happens in the USA because it would not be tolerated by the so called supposedly enlightened "humane" Europeans.




    In Britain all three contenders in the election are are male whites, no minorites . But they are considered left of the Democrats..hummm

    When it comes to race, the "right" in America is more "left" than the left in Europe. When did Europe ever have a minority foreign minister (equivalent of secretary of state). Bush had two , "enlightened humane left" Europe = Zero

    Some unpleasant facts to be considered. Europe would never tolerate 10/12 million illegal immigrants. They even have trouble integrating legal immigrants.
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