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    Russia Furious Over Adopted Boy Sent Back By US Adoptive Parent

    Saw this on CNN:

    A 7-year-old Russian boy adopted by an American family last year was put on a return flight to Moscow this week because of violent and psychotic behavior, according to a Tennessee grandmother.

    The child showed up unannounced at Russia's child protection ministry Thursday, triggering an international investigation.


    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told a Russian TV channel on Friday that his country has banned future adoptions by Americans until the United States signs a new agreement to regulate them.


    U.S. diplomats have avoided such an agreement to set responsibilities for the adopting parents, Lavrov said, "but this latest incident has exhausted our patience."


    "We are now investigating the circumstances of the boy's return to see if any crimes were committed," said U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Beyrle. "We are also in close contact with the Russian government on all aspects of the case, and we know that he is being well cared for."


    Nancy Hansen, the Tennessee woman who put Justin Hansen on the plane in Washington, insisted she did not abandon the child, but was following instructions from a lawyer she found online.


    Hansen told CNN that she was concerned about her family's safety after a series of violent incidents and threats.


    "I still have energy and I love children," Hansen said. "It wasn't that he was just energetic and wearing us down. It was the violent tendencies and he had to be watched at all time."


    When her daughter, Torry Hansen, adopted the boy from a Russian orphanage last year, she asked the doctor there if he had any physical or mental problems, Nancy Hansen said.


    The doctor answered "'He's healthy,' and turned and left," she said.


    Once the child learned enough English, he told his new family about the horrors of his previous life, including being beaten at the orphanage after his mother abandoned him, she said.


    He also told of an incident in which he burned down a building near the orphanage, she said.
    Russian Children's Rights Commissioner Pavel Astakhov said the child was "completely healthy, physically and mentally" before the adoption.


    "Nobody withheld anything from her [Torry Hansen]," he said. "It's a lie."
    Justin told Russian officials he was abused by the American family, Astakhov said.


    "There was a grandmother who was at home with the boys," he said. "She used to shout at [Justin] a lot. When I asked how the mother treated him he burst into tears and said she used to pull his hair."


    Hansen said the child had a "hit list" of people he was targeting, including her daughter, who he said he "wanted to kill for the house." He threatened to kill her grandson for a videogame, she said.


    The final incident that convinced Hansen she should send the boy back to Russia was when she caught him starting a fire with papers in his bedroom last Monday, she said. She feared the child might burn down the house and kill her family, she said.


    Hansen and her family were set to meet with Bedford County, Tennessee, Sheriff Randall Boyce on Friday afternoon but their lawyer asked to reschedule the session for next week, a sheriff's spokeswoman said.


    "I'm not sure there's been a crime committed," Boyce said earlier. He was asked by the U.S. State Department to investigate.


    A State Department spokesman said the U.S. government was "very troubled" by the incident.


    "As parents, my wife and I were deeply shocked by the news of Justin Hansen, and very angry that any family would act so callously toward a child that they had legally adopted," Ambassador Beyrle said.


    Nancy Hansen outlined for CNN the process she followed after she decided Justin must go back to Russia.


    When the lawyer she found online advised her the adoption could be reversed, Hansen booked the flight and paid the fee for a steward to escort Justin through the airport, she said.


    She hired a driver in Moscow she found online to pick the child up from the Moscow airport, she said.



    She found "safe references" for the driver online, she said.


    She then prepared a letter for Justin to present to Russian officials, which included a photo of the driver, whom she identified as "Arthur," she said.


    Justin "had never been happier" than when he boarded the plane for Moscow, she said.
    Russian child protection officials were not happy when the child arrived unannounced at their ministry Wednesday. Nancy Hansen said when they called her there was "a lot of yelling going on."


    But Hansen said after the call she believed the matter was settled and the boy was safe, until she also got a call from the U.S. Embassy. They told her she had set off an "international incident."


    The U.S. State Department spokesman on Friday said it was up to the Russian government to decide whether it will suspend adoptions by Americans because of the incident.


    Ambassador Beyrle said cases of neglect are rare among the "tens of thousands of adopted Russian children who are living happily and lovingly with their American families."


    "But even one incident like this is too many, and we will get to the bottom of what went wrong," he said.


    The Seattle-based agency which Hansen said her daughter used to coordinate the adoption said it found out about Justin's return only Friday.


    "We were alerted to this situation by our branch office in Moscow, Russia, and are shocked and saddened by this turn of events," said a spokeswoman for the World Association for Children and Parents.


    In the 1 percent of the cases where the dissolution of an adoption has been needed, the agency "has always supported and worked closely with [adoptive] parents to assist the child in moving into a new adoptive family," she said.
    Very, very sad.

    I have to ask - what were these people thinking? Did they think this was like a grocery store, you could just return the spoiled food and everything would be fine?

    Just send the kid over on his own to Russia?

    These people should be blacklisted by any future adoption agencies. And likely will.
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    maybe he came with a "return if not satisfied" warranty ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigid View Post
    Saw this on CNN:

    Very, very sad.

    I have to ask - what were these people thinking? Did they think this was like a grocery store, you could just return the spoiled food and everything would be fine?

    Just send the kid over on his own to Russia?

    These people should be blacklisted by any future adoption agencies. And likely will.
    Are you aware of the conditions in russian orphanages from which these children are adopted? Some of them are permanently damaged emotionally before they grow beyond the age of toddlers.

    CRUELTY AND NEGLECT IN RUSSIAN ORPHANAGES

    https://199.173.149.140/reports98/ru...Russ98d-02.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Are you aware of the conditions in russian orphanages from which these children are adopted? Some of them are permanently damaged emotionally before they grow beyond the age of toddlers.

    CRUELTY AND NEGLECT IN RUSSIAN ORPHANAGES

    https://199.173.149.140/reports98/ru...Russ98d-02.htm

    This justifies returning a "faulty" child to the warehouse that damaged him in your eyes. Feel the love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penfold View Post
    This justifies returning a "faulty" child to the warehouse that damaged him in your eyes. Feel the love.
    I don't know if it does or doesn't since I wasn't in this families situation. They obviously wanted to adopt a child very much if they went all the way to Russia to adopt one so for them to return the child after a year means they must have been very frightened at what they saw in him. You may feel justified in judging and condemning them sight unseen, but knowing what I do about the Russian Orphanage system, I am not so quick to judge them.

    I remember an undercover show I saw a number of years ago that showed Russian Orphanages which took new borns and placed them in rooms from birth with no human interaction at all other than to feed them. These babies grew into children who were impossible to bond with in any way at all. If this boy was one of those babies then I don't blame the parents at all for returning him, especially since he was threatening to murder them by fire, and if they had other children to protect. That may seem cold blooded or harsh to you, but I am simply giving my opinion based on limited info and what ifs.

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    So we've got puppy mills here in America...and baby mills over in Russia? That's a scary thought.

    But not quite as scary as the fact a seven year old said he was going to murder his sister because he wanted a game she had.

    I feel the need to ask something here. If these parents wanted to adopt a kid then why the hell did they go all the way to Russia to pick one up? Why didn't they get a kid locally? Surely the amount of international paperwork necessary for a foreign adoption outweighs all the work involved with a domestic adoption, right?
    [QUOTE=Brady;363469]When I was a kid I did lots of things like playing with fire and torturing animals even though adults told me not to.[/QUOTE]
    The admission of a sociopathic serial killer.

    [QUOTE=Penfold;363126]No Personal attacks, insults, name calling, offensive generalizations, or labeling.[/QUOTE]
    He should practice what he preaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penfold View Post
    This justifies returning a "faulty" child to the warehouse that damaged him in your eyes.
    It does to me. If this kid was even half as damaged as the articles suggest, I wouldn't want the kid in the country. People like that grow up to become mass murderers and spree killers. The last thing we need in this country is another foreign born kid who has sociopathic tendencies.

    After all look at Virginia Tech.
    [QUOTE=Brady;363469]When I was a kid I did lots of things like playing with fire and torturing animals even though adults told me not to.[/QUOTE]
    The admission of a sociopathic serial killer.

    [QUOTE=Penfold;363126]No Personal attacks, insults, name calling, offensive generalizations, or labeling.[/QUOTE]
    He should practice what he preaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATO 556 View Post
    So we've got puppy mills here in America...and baby mills over in Russia? That's a scary thought.

    But not quite as scary as the fact a seven year old said he was going to murder his sister because he wanted a game she had.

    I feel the need to ask something here. If these parents wanted to adopt a kid then why the hell did they go all the way to Russia to pick one up? Why didn't they get a kid locally? Surely the amount of international paperwork necessary for a foreign adoption outweighs all the work involved with a domestic adoption, right?
    There are a number of possibilities. I'm not suggesting any apply to the family concerned -

    • wanting to give an opportunity to someone who otherwise wouldn't get one, seeing these orphanages on TV can motivate some people to want to make a difference
    • wanting a child who "fits" - i.e. they want a white child, competition for white children to adopt is fierce, unless the children have physical or mental disabilities.
    • unable to adopt in the US/low on priority list. One parent may have a history of mental illness or may be lower priority due to age, existing family, some other factor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Are you aware of the conditions in russian orphanages from which these children are adopted? Some of them are permanently damaged emotionally before they grow beyond the age of toddlers.

    CRUELTY AND NEGLECT IN RUSSIAN ORPHANAGES

    https://199.173.149.140/reports98/ru...Russ98d-02.htm
    Yes, I am aware of this.

    And?

    What is your point in saying this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigid View Post
    Yes, I am aware of this.

    And?

    What is your point in saying this?
    I don't know what Arch's point is. But I feel that if Russia made the defective product, they should take responsibility for it.

    After all if you went out and got a shelter dog and it started biting you and your children, you wouldn't just keep it would you?
    [QUOTE=Brady;363469]When I was a kid I did lots of things like playing with fire and torturing animals even though adults told me not to.[/QUOTE]
    The admission of a sociopathic serial killer.

    [QUOTE=Penfold;363126]No Personal attacks, insults, name calling, offensive generalizations, or labeling.[/QUOTE]
    He should practice what he preaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigid View Post
    Yes, I am aware of this.

    And?

    What is your point in saying this?
    My point is that these people went through great lengths to adopt a child they sincerely wanted to make a part of their family. They are far from evil or even insensitive people. The article is clear that this child who is obviously intelligent since he learned our language having been here for just one year, yet he made threats to the family members. These quoted statements would cause me to return the child since I wouldn't be willing to endanger my daughters life for a child who might be psychotic, psychopathic or both.

    Hansen said the child had a "hit list" of people he was targeting, including her daughter, who he said he "wanted to kill for the house." He threatened to kill her grandson for a videogame, she said.

    The final incident that convinced Hansen she should send the boy back to Russia was when she caught him starting a fire with papers in his bedroom last Monday, she said. She feared the child might burn down the house and kill her family, she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATO 556 View Post
    I don't know what Arch's point is. But I feel that if Russia made the defective product, they should take responsibility for it.

    After all if you went out and got a shelter dog and it started biting you and your children, you wouldn't just keep it would you?
    Comparing a child to a dog is speaks volumes as to your character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jitobear View Post
    Comparing a child to a dog is speaks volumes as to your character.
    It's an accurate and valid comparison to make. People adopt a pet for the same reason they adopt a child. But if the dog you adopted is tearing up your home and becoming vicious, or the adoptive child is making a hit list of people they'd like to kill, then that's not someone you should really be keeping as a member of your family.

    There are standards that need to be met. If you're hopeful for adoption, the end result shouldn't be a serial killer in the making.
    [QUOTE=Brady;363469]When I was a kid I did lots of things like playing with fire and torturing animals even though adults told me not to.[/QUOTE]
    The admission of a sociopathic serial killer.

    [QUOTE=Penfold;363126]No Personal attacks, insults, name calling, offensive generalizations, or labeling.[/QUOTE]
    He should practice what he preaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATO 556 View Post
    It's an accurate and valid comparison to make. People adopt a pet for the same reason they adopt a child. But if the dog you adopted is tearing up your home and becoming vicious, or the adoptive child is making a hit list of people they'd like to kill, then that's not someone you should really be keeping as a member of your family.

    There are standards that need to be met. If you're hopeful for adoption, the end result shouldn't be a serial killer in the making.
    As ugly as the comparison between a shelter dog and this adopted child is NATO, it is perfectly appropriate in this case for the sake of an analogy. Of course a politically correct looney leftist like jito wont ever see it that way. Unless you're murdering the unborn via abortion or fighting to save a mass murderer from execution they will never appreciate where you're coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    As ugly as the comparison between a shelter dog and this adopted child is NATO, it is perfectly appropriate in this case for the sake of an analogy. Of course a politically correct looney leftist like jito wont ever see it that way. Unless you're murdering the unborn via abortion or fighting to save a mass murderer from execution they will never appreciate where you're coming from.
    What if your natural-born child started demonstrating sociopathic behavior would it be OK to kick them to the curb, too? Once you have decided to parent and legally are one (adoption or natural born), that child is now your responsibility. Granted, a potentially sociopathic child certainly needs special care, but just tossing them once they are symptomatic is not the appropriate response of a parent.

    By the way, don't presume to speak for me on any matter. You have not even come close to representing my stance on the death penalty here. I have asked this of you before. You want my opinion/stance on a topic - ASK ME.
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