Originally Posted by Sigma
Now who's setting up a strawman? I've been talking about bands that depict rape and violence against women. That's the only group I've been talking about. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up wives and families. Those with negative views about women are perfectly capable of having wives and families.
Once again, no it isn't. That's the exact same point you tried to make that I responded to. You can't prove a point by continually repeating it or yelling it louder than me.
What do their lives off-stage have to do with anything? The fact that they are using rape and violence against women for entertainment
is evidence that they have misogynist views.
Tom Araya, Slayer: Has written tons of songs with anti-Christian themes. Araya himself is a Roman Catholic.
Chuck Schuldiner, ex-Death: Was said to be friendly and mild-mannered.
"Jeanette, Death Rotten Decay" - Female vocalist for "Death Rotten Decay", often sung lyrics depicting sex and violence. Misogynist!
"Mikoko", Flagitious Idiosyncrasy in the Dilapidation. - See above.
Johann Hegg, Amon Amarth - Writes lyrics centering around Odinism, Vikings, and Norse Mythology. Hegg himself is an atheist.
Lyrics don't say anything about musicians. Now I understand why you misunderstand metal. Because you see it at face value. I've been listening to it for almost three years, you get a glimpse of it at face value and in five seconds you think you understand more about what Metal "promotes" than I do.
Right, they're also Satanist, Odinist, and Anti-christian, by your logic. I'm getting tired of explaining the same points over and over to you. You're seeing things at face value and failing to understand the difference of a person between their on stage life and their off stage life. You can't prove a point by repeating it or yelling it louder than me.
They do have an anti-woman attitude. The fact that they are using rape and violence against women in their lyrics, on stage, in order to insult feminists is anti-woman.
That's retarded! If someone says something that's "wrong" it says something about them, but if they say something that isn't "wrong" it doesn't? Using your exact same logic, Jay Leno in his personal life does not take the Oil Spill seriously and has little concern for the environment. Whether or not you think that's "wrong" is irrelevant.
Jay Leno certainly trivializes the disaster on his show. However, there is nothing inherently negative about trivializing disasters so there's little to reflect on the man himself. Trivializing rape and violence against women, on the other hand, shows an inherent negative view of women.
I was refering to joke bands like Decomposing Serenity and AxCx. They're just trying to be as offensive and musically annoying (to someone who listens to mainstream music) as possible, and if you take them seriously, then I'm wasting effort trying to reason with you.
Then what did you mean by the comment: If the band is meant to be taken more seriously than a joke
? I see no other meaning than the one I drew.
Great answer. "Well, hardly any women listen to metal, so I don't think I need to answer that question."
Since apparently the audience is predominately male, I doubt the numbers are statistically significant enough to warrant consideration.
Rap has nothing to do with Metal. Rap lyrics don't prove that metal is violent any more than crime rates in India help prove that the UK is violent place. Simple as that.
Since violent lyrics are not confined to rap, I could not say.
I've been making the assertion that some Metal has misogynist content. I never said any band promotes misogyny or is made of misogynist member, because as far as I know, none of them do. You keep seeing things at face value. You're not understanding the difference between on-stage and off-stage.
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