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    40 Congressmen Call on Special Ops Commander to Dismiss Case Brought Against Navy SEALs over Alleged Punching of Terrorist
    Monday, December 14, 2009
    By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer


    (CNSNews.com) - Forty members of Congress are calling on the military commander who ordered the court martial of three Navy SEALs over the alleged punching of a terrorist to dismiss the charges.

    The letter, circulated by Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), was sent Thursday to Army Major Gen. Charles T. Cleveland, commander of Special Operation Command Central. Gen. Cleveland ordered the prosecution of the three SEALs.

    “In our opinion, prosecutorial discretion should have been exercised,” the 40 congressmen said. “Failing that, we respectfully and strongly urge you to exercise your leadership authority, stop the impending court martial and exonerate these men.”

    Earlier, 33 House Members had signed a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates asking him to intervene in the case. That letter had been circulated by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.). Military law experts told CNSNews.com, however, that the Defense secretary’s ability to intervene in a court martial could be limited.

    U.S. congressmen representing two of the SEALs’ home districts signed the letters. Only Republican members signed the letters.

    Rep. Bob Latta, who represents the Ohio's 5th Congressional District that includes Perrysburg, Ohio, signed both of the letters. Perryburg is the hometown of one of the three SEALs, 24-year-old Petty Officer Second Class Mathew McCabe.

    McCabe was part of the SEAL team that captured Ahmed Hashim Abed, the alleged architect of the murder of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah, Iraq in 2004. The bodies of the four Americans were mutilated, burned and hanged from a bridge over the Euphrates River.

    McCabe has been charged with assault for allegedly punching Abed in the midsection. He has also been charged with dereliction of duty for allegedly failing to protect Abed and with allegedly making a false statement by denying the incident. Two other SEALs, Petty Officer Julio Huertas, 28, and Petty Officer Jonathon Keefe, 25, have been charged with alleged dereliction of duty for not protecting Abed and for allegedly making a false statement. Huertas has also been charged with allegedly impeding an investigation.

    Rep. Latta will have more to say on the matter in the near future, his spokesman Bob Popp told CNSNews.com Friday.

    Keefe is from Yorktown, Va., part of the state’s 1st Congressional District represented by Rep. Rob Wittman, who signed Rep. Hunter’s letter to Gates.

    “After hearing the case of these three Navy SEALs, one of which is a constituent of mine, I and many of my colleagues were concerned with the message this would send to our soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen who serve in harms way every day,” Wittman told CNSNews.com in a statement.

    “These service members often risk their lives in dangerous and uncertain situations, and in this case, they captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq. I am eagerly awaiting the secretary of defense’s response to the letter I signed in defense of these SEALs,” Wittman continued. “While I do not believe that the prosecution of these men is warranted, I do have full faith and confidence that the military justice system will bring all the facts to light.”

    Huertas is from Blue Island, Ill., part of that state’s 1st Congressional District, which is represented by Rep. Bobby Rush, a Democrat. Rush did not sign either of the letters. Rush’s spokeswoman Sharon Jenkins told CNSNews.com that he will not be making a statement on the matter now, but “will continue to monitor the legal proceedings.”

    The Burton letter said the SEALs should have been hailed as heroes instead of being vilified for allegedly assaulting Abed, who was in custody during the alleged Sept. 1 incident.

    “Al Qaeda’s own handbook instructs their operatives to allege detainee abuse if detained by American forces,” Burton’s letter says. “We’ve seen repeated cases of this since the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan began.”

    “General, surely you agree that we are in a war that we must win,” says the Burton letter. “Our military personnel are putting their lives on the line every day trying to track down terrorists who want to indiscriminately kill Americans. Our troops and our SEALs need to be bold and decisive in combat; not looking over their shoulder fearing legal jeopardy for every action or gesture.”

    The letter from the congressmen to Gen. Cleveland may have more chance of succeeding than the letter from the congressmen to Defense Secretary Gates.

    Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, it is the “convening authority” who has the power to take action in a court martial. In this case, that is Gen. Cleveland. While Gates technically may have the authority to get involved, the exercise of that authority is complicated by a military court rule called “unlawful command influence.” The rule says that no high ranking commander--such as Secretary Gates--may interfere with a court martial or military tribunal conducted by a lower level commander--such as Gen. Cleveland--regarding “functions of the court-martial or tribunal or such persons in the conduct of the proceedings.”

    CNSNews.com - 40 Congressmen Call on Special Ops Commander to Dismiss Case Brought Against Navy SEALs over Alleged Punching of Terrorist
    The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
    If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
    Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

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    We do not have all the facts.

    I'll leave this to Gen. Cleveland.

    But how we get to what Dems really feel for the military, I don't see.

    Partisan posturing is at work as well of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    We do not have all the facts.

    I'll leave this to Gen. Cleveland.

    But how we get to what Dems really feel for the military, I don't see.

    Partisan posturing is at work as well of course.
    Only Republicans signed the letter requesting that the charges be dropped. His message is pretty clear to me. Democrats, as a party, despise the military and have since Vietnam. This isn't anything new. Carter decimated the military; Reagan rebuilt it. Clinton tried to put it under UN control; Bush restored it.
    So far, though, Obama appears to be making the right moves, albeit at a snail's pace.

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    So because the Dems have left decisions concerning internal military discipline
    to the Commanding Officer, they despise the military.

    Got it!
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    I read they have witnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    I read they have witnesses.
    Witnesses Hell. If I was there, I'd have gut him like a deer not just poked him in the stomach. I think the Navy Seals used incredible restraint given the fact that the guy in their custody burned and drug 4 Americans around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    Witnesses Hell. If I was there, I'd have gut him like a deer not just poked him in the stomach. I think the Navy Seals used incredible restraint given the fact that the guy in their custody burned and drug 4 Americans around.
    I don't believe you. You'd have followed orders which mostly likely would not have given you leave to murder your prisoner.

    The four were Blackwater, which makes them more than just any old Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    I don't believe you. You'd have followed orders which mostly likely would not have given you leave to murder your prisoner.

    The four were Blackwater, which makes them more than just any old Americans.
    Blackwater?s Free-Market Crusade | Politics | ReligionDispatches
    Sounds like you are doing what you accused me off from where I sit sin. Carry on tho. Don't forget the spellchek.
    The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
    If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
    Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSarge View Post
    Sounds like you are doing what you accused me off from where I sit sin. Carry on tho. Don't forget the spellchek.
    What did I accuse you off? I saw my typo but wouldn't dream of going back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    I don't believe you. You'd have followed orders which mostly likely would not have given you leave to murder your prisoner.

    The four were Blackwater, which makes them more than just any old Americans.
    Blackwater?s Free-Market Crusade | Politics | ReligionDispatches
    Wow! For someone not pre-disposed to believing in conspiracies, you sure bought this one. And it's irrelevent to the discussion. The 4 were ex-military, American citizens, killed, dragged from their vehicles, burned and drug around the street. All your story above does is try to cloud the real issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    What did I accuse you off? I saw my typo but wouldn't dream of going back.
    Do not even try it sin. Any typo or spelling error I made you pounced on. Just go back over your postings.
    The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
    If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
    Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    So because the Dems have left decisions concerning internal military discipline
    to the Commanding Officer, they despise the military.

    Got it!
    Sarcasm doesn't become you. Try and find which party that held the WH gave the largest pay raises to the military and get back to us. While you are about that see what the slickster was on about the military. Good for getting the blue dress off the front pages is all. While you are at that ask John or Jack Murtha about apologizing for condemning the Marines as murderers. Your pal John Fornicationface Kerry sure did a few numbers too.
    The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
    If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
    Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

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    Matthews: West Point Academy = “the Enemy Camp”

    “I didn’t see a lot of warmth in that crowd out there that the President chose to address tonight. And I thought that that was interesting. He went to, maybe, the enemy camp tonight to make his case. I mean, that is — that’s where Paul Wolfowitz used to write speeches for — back in the old Bush days — that’s where he went to rabble rouse the ‘We’re going to democratize the world’ campaign back in ’02. So, I thought it was a strange venue.”
    — MSNBC’s Chris Matthews during live coverage following President Obama’s speech at West Point, December 1. Matthews apologized the following evening. [Audio/video (0:34): Windows Media | MP3 audio]
    And here's tingles weighing in.
    The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
    If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
    Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    Wow! For someone not pre-disposed to believing in conspiracies, you sure bought this one. And it's irrelevent to the discussion. The 4 were ex-military, American citizens, killed, dragged from their vehicles, burned and drug around the street. All your story above does is try to cloud the real issue.
    Were these men targeted specifically because they were Blackwater?
    Hardly irrelevant given the company's reputation for brutality in Iraq.

    A prisoner's alleged crime is what's irrelevant to a soldier assigned guard duty.

    I got your conspiracy theory right here:

    http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=23854

    Representative Rush D. Holt, a New Jersey Democrat who is chairman of the House Select Intelligence Oversight Panel, said in an interview that “the use of contractors in intelligence and paramilitary operations is a scandal waiting to be examined.” While he declined to comment on specific operations, Holt said that the use of contractors in such operations “got way out of hand.”
    He added, “It’s been very troubling to a lot of people.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSarge View Post
    Sarcasm doesn't become you. Try and find which party that held the WH gave the largest pay raises to the military and get back to us. While you are about that see what the slickster was on about the military. Good for getting the blue dress off the front pages is all. While you are at that ask John or Jack Murtha about apologizing for condemning the Marines as murderers. Your pal John Fornicationface Kerry sure did a few numbers too.
    And this has what to do with the case of these Seals?

    My pal Kerry?

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