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    Iran approves 10 new nuclear plants

    Is there a future war here?

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    Wait till Israel knocks out Iran's nuclear processing plants. That's when we'll see the feathers fly on an international scale. But she must be prevented from producing a bomb because they will surely use it. And here's why...

    Will the 12th Imam cause war with Iran?

    By Con Coughlin
    Published: 12:01AM BST 28 Sep 2007
    Comments 84 | Comment on this article
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    Not since the prime minister of the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada presented an address claiming that UFOs posed a mortal threat to the future of mankind has the United Nations been treated to such a bizarre spectacle.
    Many people believe the greatest threat to world peace concerns Iran's nuclear programme, so there was understandably great interest at this week's general assembly in New York when the country's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, took the platform.
    But instead of seeking to reassure delegates that Iran's nuclear intentions were purely benign, Mr Ahmadinejad took advantage of his official visit to a country deemed – in the lexicon of the Iranian Revolution – "the Great Satan" to embark on a discourse about the wonders of the 12th Imam.
    For those unacquainted with the more obscure tenets of Islamic theology, the 12th Imam is held by devout Shi'ite Muslims to be a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammed who went into "occlusion" in the ninth century at the age of five and hasn't been seen since.
    The Hidden Imam, as he is also known by his followers, will only return after a period of cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed – what Christians call the Apocalypse – and then lead the world into an era of universal peace.
    Rumours abound of Mr Ahmadinejad's devotion to the 12th Imam, and last year it was reported that he had persuaded his cabinet to sign a "contract" pledging themselves to work for his return.
    Another example of his messianic tendencies surfaced after 108 people were killed in an aircraft crash in Teheran. Mr Ahmadinejad praised the victims, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."
    For many of the hundreds of delegates who attended Mr Ahmadinejad's speech to the UN this week, his discourse on the merits of the 12th Imam finally brought home the reality of the danger his regime poses to world peace.
    Rather than allaying concerns about Iran's nuclear ambitions, Mr Ahmadinejad spoke at length about how a Muslim saviour would relieve the world's suffering.
    The era of Western predominance was drawing to a close, he said, and would soon be replaced by a "bright future" ushered in by the 12th Imam's return. "Without any doubt, the Promised One, who is the ultimate Saviour, will come. The pleasing aroma of justice will permeate the whole world."
    The really alarming aspect is that – if the world's leading intelligence agencies are to be believed – he is seriously attempting to acquire a nuclear weapons arsenal.
    Only yesterday, the opposition group that first revealed the existence of Iran's uranium enrichment facility at Natanz claimed that Iran was building a new bomb-proof underground site for developing nuclear weapons.
    The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) said the regime was near to completing a vast underground chamber that was linked by two tunnels to the existing complex at Natanz, and was protected against aerial attack.
    As with so many of the allegations relating to Iran's nuclear activities, the NCRI's claims are impossible to verify, not least because Iran continues to impede UN nuclear inspectors.
    And even if, as Mr Ahmadinejad claimed in New York, Iran has no interest in developing nuclear weapons, there is every indication that Teheran is preparing itself for war, not least because the clash with Western civilisation that the Iranian president so obviously desires will hasten, or so he believes, the arrival of the 12th Imam.

    Before flying to the US, Mr Ahmadinejad addressed a military parade in Teheran at which he said Iran would retaliate with missile strikes against Western targets in the event of the West launching air strikes to neutralise Iran's nuclear aspirations.
    Recent changes to the regime's hierarchy also suggest that the country is now being put on a war footing in anticipation of Western military action. The most significant appointment is that of Mohammed Ali Jaafari as the new head of the Revolutionary Guards.
    Mr Ahmadinejad – a former Revolutionary Guards commander – regards the 200,000-strong organisation as the storm troops of the Islamic Revolution and, by appointing Mr Jaafari its new commander this month, he is giving the guards primary responsibility for protecting the country against attack.
    Major-General Rahim Safavi, the previous commander, was hardly a soft touch, having masterminded the capture and subsequent release of 15 British service personnel this year.
    Mr Safavi, who commanded the guards for 10 years, is understood to have fallen out with Mr Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the country's spiritual leader, after he argued that the guards were too weak to repel an attack from abroad.
    Mr Safavi was also criticised within the regime for failing to establish effective supply lines between Teheran and Hizbollah, the Iranian-funded militia in southern Lebanon. A train carrying vital military supplies for Hizbollah from Iran to Syria blew up in mysterious circumstances last May in northern Turkey, severely disrupting Iran's attempts to re-arm Hizbollah following last year's war with Israel.
    Mr Jaafari, by contrast, has a proven track record as an effective Revolutionary Guards commander. Regarded in Iranian circles as an ultra-conservative, Mr Jaafari was, until recently, in charge of Iran's anti-American activities in Iraq, and narrowly escaped capture by US forces in January when the Americans seized five guards belonging to the secretive Quds force.
    And, unlike his predecessor, Mr Jaafari is bullish about the Revolutionary Guards' capacity to defend Iran from attack. He attracted international attention this year when he boasted that more than 50,000 volunteers were being trained in Iran to carry out "martyrdom-seeking operations" against the West.
    Just the kind of carnage Mr Ahmadinejad believes will hasten the arrival of the 12th Imam.
    Will the 12th Imam cause war with Iran? - Telegraph

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    If the installations were bombed, it might not destroy them and if Iran was invaded the middle East would literally explode.
    I suspect there are terrorist cells around Europe and the USA waiting for this to happen.
    Oil prices would go through the roof,a run on the dollar maybe leading to another recession......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Wait till Israel knocks out Iran's nuclear processing plants. That's when we'll see the feathers fly on an international scale. But she must be prevented from producing a bomb because they will surely use it. And here's why...

    Will the 12th Imam cause war with Iran?

    By Con Coughlin
    Published: 12:01AM BST 28 Sep 2007
    Comments 84 | Comment on this article
    InsideAbroad
    Not since the prime minister of the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada presented an address claiming that UFOs posed a mortal threat to the future of mankind has the United Nations been treated to such a bizarre spectacle.
    Many people believe the greatest threat to world peace concerns Iran's nuclear programme, so there was understandably great interest at this week's general assembly in New York when the country's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, took the platform.
    But instead of seeking to reassure delegates that Iran's nuclear intentions were purely benign, Mr Ahmadinejad took advantage of his official visit to a country deemed in the lexicon of the Iranian Revolution "the Great Satan" to embark on a discourse about the wonders of the 12th Imam.
    For those unacquainted with the more obscure tenets of Islamic theology, the 12th Imam is held by devout Shi'ite Muslims to be a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammed who went into "occlusion" in the ninth century at the age of five and hasn't been seen since.
    The Hidden Imam, as he is also known by his followers, will only return after a period of cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed what Christians call the Apocalypse and then lead the world into an era of universal peace.
    Rumours abound of Mr Ahmadinejad's devotion to the 12th Imam, and last year it was reported that he had persuaded his cabinet to sign a "contract" pledging themselves to work for his return.
    Another example of his messianic tendencies surfaced after 108 people were killed in an aircraft crash in Teheran. Mr Ahmadinejad praised the victims, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."
    For many of the hundreds of delegates who attended Mr Ahmadinejad's speech to the UN this week, his discourse on the merits of the 12th Imam finally brought home the reality of the danger his regime poses to world peace.
    Rather than allaying concerns about Iran's nuclear ambitions, Mr Ahmadinejad spoke at length about how a Muslim saviour would relieve the world's suffering.
    The era of Western predominance was drawing to a close, he said, and would soon be replaced by a "bright future" ushered in by the 12th Imam's return. "Without any doubt, the Promised One, who is the ultimate Saviour, will come. The pleasing aroma of justice will permeate the whole world."
    The really alarming aspect is that if the world's leading intelligence agencies are to be believed he is seriously attempting to acquire a nuclear weapons arsenal.
    Only yesterday, the opposition group that first revealed the existence of Iran's uranium enrichment facility at Natanz claimed that Iran was building a new bomb-proof underground site for developing nuclear weapons.
    The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) said the regime was near to completing a vast underground chamber that was linked by two tunnels to the existing complex at Natanz, and was protected against aerial attack.
    As with so many of the allegations relating to Iran's nuclear activities, the NCRI's claims are impossible to verify, not least because Iran continues to impede UN nuclear inspectors.
    And even if, as Mr Ahmadinejad claimed in New York, Iran has no interest in developing nuclear weapons, there is every indication that Teheran is preparing itself for war, not least because the clash with Western civilisation that the Iranian president so obviously desires will hasten, or so he believes, the arrival of the 12th Imam.

    Before flying to the US, Mr Ahmadinejad addressed a military parade in Teheran at which he said Iran would retaliate with missile strikes against Western targets in the event of the West launching air strikes to neutralise Iran's nuclear aspirations.
    Recent changes to the regime's hierarchy also suggest that the country is now being put on a war footing in anticipation of Western military action. The most significant appointment is that of Mohammed Ali Jaafari as the new head of the Revolutionary Guards.
    Mr Ahmadinejad a former Revolutionary Guards commander regards the 200,000-strong organisation as the storm troops of the Islamic Revolution and, by appointing Mr Jaafari its new commander this month, he is giving the guards primary responsibility for protecting the country against attack.
    Major-General Rahim Safavi, the previous commander, was hardly a soft touch, having masterminded the capture and subsequent release of 15 British service personnel this year.
    Mr Safavi, who commanded the guards for 10 years, is understood to have fallen out with Mr Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the country's spiritual leader, after he argued that the guards were too weak to repel an attack from abroad.
    Mr Safavi was also criticised within the regime for failing to establish effective supply lines between Teheran and Hizbollah, the Iranian-funded militia in southern Lebanon. A train carrying vital military supplies for Hizbollah from Iran to Syria blew up in mysterious circumstances last May in northern Turkey, severely disrupting Iran's attempts to re-arm Hizbollah following last year's war with Israel.
    Mr Jaafari, by contrast, has a proven track record as an effective Revolutionary Guards commander. Regarded in Iranian circles as an ultra-conservative, Mr Jaafari was, until recently, in charge of Iran's anti-American activities in Iraq, and narrowly escaped capture by US forces in January when the Americans seized five guards belonging to the secretive Quds force.
    And, unlike his predecessor, Mr Jaafari is bullish about the Revolutionary Guards' capacity to defend Iran from attack. He attracted international attention this year when he boasted that more than 50,000 volunteers were being trained in Iran to carry out "martyrdom-seeking operations" against the West.
    Just the kind of carnage Mr Ahmadinejad believes will hasten the arrival of the 12th Imam.
    Will the 12th Imam cause war with Iran? - Telegraph
    If this is true, we are in deep trouble.

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    Unfortunately the "antiwar" movement mostly turned out to be anti-bush and little else, and probably won't dare to stand up to their Lord and Saviour Obama if he decides to murder some Iranians. Perhaps the prospect of war with Iran is a good political tool, it'll certainly fracture the coalition of nationalists and libertarians that constitute the tea party movement and conservative revival.

    On the plus side the US is too broke and its military too overstretched and demoralised for an invasion of Iran to be a realistic prospect. An American invasion of Iran would resemble a German invasion of Russia - in more ways than one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Symbiote View Post
    Iran has every right to nuclear power plants, and there is no justification for aggression against them.

    Unfortunately the "antiwar" movement mostly turned out to be anti-bush and little else, and probably won't dare to stand up to their Lord and Saviour Obama if he decides to murder some Iranians.

    On the plus side the US is too broke and its military too overstretched and demoralised for an invasion of Iran to be a realistic prospect. An American invasion of Iran would resemble a German invasion of Russia - in more ways than one.
    I agree with the last paragraph but not the first two.

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    Actually, the desire of Iran for nuclear powerplants is making me suspicious about just how much oil there is actually left...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gansao View Post
    I agree with the last paragraph but not the first two.
    Please, you think the protest crowd's going to be out there against war with iran? Perhaps a few hardcore communists who spend the rest of their spare time handing out newspapers praising "Mao's glorious red army", but most of your traditional protesters will he holding up "If you oppose invading Iran, you're a racist", "Yes we can!" or "Regime Change You can Believe In" signs.
    He or she who supports a State organized in a military way whether directly or indirectly participates in sin. Each man takes part in the sin by contributing to the maintenance of the State by paying taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symbiote View Post
    Please, you think the protest crowd's going to be out there against war with iran? Perhaps a few hardcore communists who spend the rest of their spare time handing out newspapers praising "Mao's glorious red army", but most of your traditional protesters will he holding up "If you oppose invading Iran, you're a racist", "Yes we can!" or "Regime Change You can Believe In" signs.
    You could be right Symbiote. I believed Tony Blairs lies at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symbiote View Post
    Unfortunately the "antiwar" movement mostly turned out to be anti-bush and little else, and probably won't dare to stand up to their Lord and Saviour Obama if he decides to murder some Iranians. Perhaps the prospect of war with Iran is a good political tool, it'll certainly fracture the coalition of nationalists and libertarians that constitute the tea party movement and conservative revival.

    On the plus side the US is too broke and its military too overstretched and demoralised for an invasion of Iran to be a realistic prospect. An American invasion of Iran would resemble a German invasion of Russia - in more ways than one.
    Why do you think the US has been quietly selling bunker buster bombs to Israel?
    ....
    In September 2008, US Congress approved a plan to sell Israel 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, of the GPS Guided Bomb Unit-39 (GBU-39).

    Later in January 2009, the Times reported that the Israeli government had asked Bush to sell Tel Aviv new bunker-busters.

    Around the same time, the Jerusalem Post also reported that a shipment of the weapons had arrived the previous month, adding that the bombs had been used in the three-week military onslaught in Gaza, which claimed the lives of over 1500 Palestinians.

    Israel is believed to be currently housing at least 100 bunker-buster bombs.
    US completing 'bunker buster' bomb






    US completing 'bunker buster' bomb

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    Why do you think the US has been quietly selling bunker buster bombs to Israel?
    Probably to help pay for the cash for clunkers program or something equally stupid? Maybe bribe some afghani warlords?
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