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    Quote Originally Posted by romebigred View Post
    Geez, that was wordy.

    *whew*

    Sorry for the length there.
    Welcome aboard.

    You have detailed the very point that I was trying to make.

    That for *you to recognize a need somewhere and take the initiative and donate your own money directly too that need is infinately more efficient than using a government agency to address that need to your satisfaction.

    *figuratively 'you' not you personally.

    For you or myself to give charitably to a person or organization in need is one thing. But to see that need is met through government,.... it requires an agency, the agency requires a building or buildings, utilities, employees, transportation, benefits, computers, office furniture and legal costs.... and on and on and on.

    And still, there are those (at least half the country) who choose to ignore the inefficiencies of government,.... and insist that MORE and bigger government is the answer to meet the needs in our communities.

    It's like if your kid blows his/her allowance immediately after getting it,.... you decide the solution is to give them MORE money.

    We are 12 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT PEOPLE If we confiscated the net worth of every 'rich' person in this country TODAY,.... we still couldn't afford to pay down that debt and provide healthcare at the same time.

    It can NOT be done.

    You can NOT spend your way out of debt at home.... and the government can not do the same with their spending habbits either.
    "How can a government that has the authority to grant or to deny "personhood" to a prebirth child not also have the authority to define "marriage" as it sees fit to address the general welfare of the nation?" - Chuz Life

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  2. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimStPete View Post
    Ummm, you did notice that I said "I" would be willing to pay higher taxes for this didn't you? I've paid into the tax system all my life with no deductions. I've never received any government benefit because I'm lucky, I've never been unemployed and would only consider a job if it had health benefits. So I'm not seeing the socialism here 'my friend.' Did you get your education in Florida by any chance?
    Why wait for Uncle Sam to force you to pay for other people's healthcare? You can freely give as much of your money as you'd like to now. It's called charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImYY4U View Post
    Completely agree!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by romebigred View Post
    ....... We can't afford this "cheaper" and more socialistic option.

    Welcome to a target-rich environment. Lots of liberals here.

  4. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    I believe that the majority of supporters for universal healthcare wouldn't be in favor of it if the costs were borne by them. What do you think?
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    Of course not, they are all looking for a free ride on the pocketbooks of the productive class who are so hard put to earn their own livings in addition to supporting the shiftless layabouts from the slums and ghettoes.

  5. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimStPete View Post
    I'd be willing to pay a higher tax in order to not have to worry about losing health benefits if I lose my job (or my insurance company drops me if I get sick). I have no deductions or tax breaks, I pay my full tax rate now and I always have (and I don't make a lot of money). I'd be willing to pay for the security of not worrying about health care insurance. I've never collected any kind of benefit in my life from the government. But it would be good to know I won't be left to die if I get sick and my insurance company drops me. I'm very thankful I do have Health Insurance with my job (an HMO) because a lot of people here in Florida have no health insurance at all because most employers here do not offer that benefit (and low pay on top of it). I'm not complaining, I'm just telling you the situation and why I feel like I do. If I really don't like it I should move (I plan on that when I retire, I'm moving back to NY). I definitely DO agree that illegal aliens should NOT be covered by this and that needs to be written into the law so that there is no loophole.
    Why not take that money that you are willing to pay in higher taxes and invest it in a good health insurance policy yourself instead of letting the government do it for you?

  6. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    I agree that there is some need for reform. Portability is certainly one of the areas that needs improvement. Coverage for pre-existing conditions would be another. Tort reform would be a third.


    The problem is that this Congress thinks it's out-slicking the American public. They write a clause stating that illegals won't be covered, but block a provision that requires proof of citizenship prior to treatment. So, essentially, they are setting up a system that covers illegal aliens. No verification, no prevention. It's that simple.
    The problem is, we have reached the tipping point in America where there are more parasites, socialists, revolutionary power-grabbers, and welfare dependents than there are decent, hard-working, traditional Americans to support them.

  7. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    So few people take the time to think things through. Ant///Mintaka wants to tax the rich to pay for healthcare for all. That sounds great until you do some learnin and find out where the rich get their money from.

    Here's a clue people, the Rich get their money from YOU!

    You buy their goods and services, YOU make good on their investments, YOU pay interest on their loans and other securities... etc.

    And when someone gets into their pocket, guess how they make up the difference?

    That's right, they raise their prices and or get rid of some of their other expenses. They lay off workers, invest less, and spend less on other things which negatively impacts the bottom lines of OTHER rich people.

    In the end, YOU will be the one paying for 'national healthcare' through higher and higher prices, jobs that require you do more with less and reduced goods and services.

    And finally, due to government inefficiency,... For every dollar the government gives to even the most legitimate cause,... it has to take three or more from YOU.

    Government buildings must be built and maintained, computers, employees, power and light, grounds, security, retirement and other benefits for the government workers, printing, copiers, transportation, office equipment,... and on and on and on.....

    And every dollar the government takes EVEN from the richest citizens of the U.S...... ultimately comes from YOU.

    Enjoy your FREE healthcare.

    Can I get an AMEN on this?
    The leeches and looters of America don't care about anything except where their next free meal is coming from, my friend, and the NWO despots are having a field day with the producers and their property - taking as much as possible and destroying the capitalist system in preparation for a full communist tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImYY4U View Post
    The leeches and looters of America don't care about anything except where their next free meal is coming from, my friend, and the NWO despots are having a field day with the producers and their property - taking as much as possible and destroying the capitalist system in preparation for a full communist tyranny.
    Ushered in by Obama.

  9. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImYY4U View Post
    Why not take that money that you are willing to pay in higher taxes and invest it in a good health insurance policy yourself instead of letting the government do it for you?
    What a novel thought, paying for one’s OWN healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImYY4U View Post
    The problem is, we have reached the tipping point in America where there are more parasites, socialists, revolutionary power-grabbers, and welfare dependents than there are decent, hard-working, traditional Americans to support them.
    Indeed. I won’t even join AARP because the organization is a bastion of socialist seniors trying to suck the life out of future generations. I’ve never seen such a bunch of leeches in my life. It’s a good thing that my grandparents aren’t around to see what “seniors” have become. And that’s just one of the federal teat-sucking entities.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImYY4U View Post
    The leeches and looters of America don't care about anything except where their next free meal is coming from, my friend, and the NWO despots are having a field day with the producers and their property - taking as much as possible and destroying the capitalist system in preparation for a full communist tyranny.
    I’m not a big conspiracy advocate, but there’s no doubt that Obama’s agenda is to get the US to make a hard left turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarieAntoinette View Post
    Ushered in by Obama.
    Obamanation – Don’t worry, be happy. Let somebody else pay your bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    I believe that the majority of supporters for universal healthcare wouldn't be in favor of it if the costs were borne by them. What do you think?
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    You believe wrong. Almost everyone in favor of universal health care thinks that everyone should kick into its funding whatever they can contribute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    You believe wrong. Almost everyone in favor of universal health care thinks that everyone should kick into its funding whatever they can contribute.
    I stand by my original assertion. Some broke-a$$ fool saying that he'd pay for healthcare if he just had two nickels to do so doesn't mean squat!

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    So if anyone is broke-a$$, toss him or her out on the street and let them die.

    That's the American way, right, "Sartre"?
    Brother, you can believe in stones as long as you do not hurl them at me. Wafa Sultan

    “War is an American way to teach geography,” British soldier

    War is sweet to those who have not tasted it, but the experienced man trembles exceedingly at heart on its approach. – Pindar

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    So if anyone is broke-a$$, toss him or her out on the street and let them die.

    That's the American way, right, "Sartre"?
    For those that are Christians the ethics for this would be the rich person should pay for the broke person but the broke person has no right or entitlement to receive the care from the rich person. So if the rich person doesn't pay the broke person has no right to be upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    So if anyone is broke-a$$, toss him or her out on the street and let them die.

    That's the American way, right, "Sartre"?
    No, the American way is called "charity", but being a self-centered atheist, the concept is probably lost on you.

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    Question That's gotta leave a mark!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarieAntoinette View Post
    Ushered in by Obama.
    How does a person manage to stack the deck in such a way that they get to vote three times in a poll,... and still get voted down more than 2 to one?
    "How can a government that has the authority to grant or to deny "personhood" to a prebirth child not also have the authority to define "marriage" as it sees fit to address the general welfare of the nation?" - Chuz Life

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