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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Q View Post
    There are so many falsehoods, gaps of logic, errors, and outright deceptions in these few paragraphs that it boggles the mind...
    But you can't name a single one? Why, exactly, do you post here?
    Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc9000 View Post
    But you can't name a single one? Why, exactly, do you post here?
    I'll ask you the same question: "why do you post here?"

    Everything you said has been addressed ad nauseum over the past few years that I've been here by myself and others. The fact that you continue to post the same falsehoods and deceptions does not speak to our deficiencies but to your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    You're quite right, the proper label is 'unbelievers in the Christian God'. However, you didn't use that term - the term you used was 'atheist'. To quote:
    "Only in the mind of an ignorant atheist... is the truth I spoke rubbish"
    and
    "every argument he defends supports the atheist mind set".
    and
    "so you and your atheist cohort"

    It stands to reason that all non-Christians aren't atheists, but your quotes I've collected here don't. What you wrote wasn't logical or correct, but that doesn't change the fact that you wrote it.
    NO, you are again lying and completely misrepresenting the context of the discussion. We weren't discussing whether or not people of other religions are atheists at all. That question or premise was never even a consideration. You cannot rip my comments in a debate out of context and assert that I was saying that anyone who believes in another religion other than the christian one is an atheist. WHY? Because we weren't even discussing that possibility or option.

    Your inference is completely fallacious as it assumes a conversation that was never taking place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Q View Post
    I'll ask you the same question: "why do you post here?"

    Everything you said has been addressed ad nauseum over the past few years that I've been here by myself and others. The fact that you continue to post the same falsehoods and deceptions does not speak to our deficiencies but to your own.
    If you call "addressed" name calling and sputtering with rage, you'd be right. Still can't link me to any disagreements between yourself and an admitted atheist, can you? What religion are you, by the way, since you're not an atheist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc9000 View Post
    Still can't link me to any disagreements between yourself and an admitted atheist, can you?
    Which means what? This is just an example of how twisted your thinking is-I can agree with someone without sharing their every thought and belief. To you, that idea is alien. Which is why you consider Kenneth Miller an atheist.

    What religion are you, by the way, since you're not an atheist?
    What religion are you-branch and denomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc9000 View Post
    Youíre letting these guys get to you too much, Archangel. Let me address the opening post with a clean slate, and see what you think;



    What we have to do first is define how debates in these matters often go. We donít see debates here where Buddhism is promoted or attacked, and find Atheists, Christians, Hindus, etc joining together to attack it. We donít see debates where Islam is promoted or attacked, and find Atheists, Christians, and Buddhists joining together to attack it. We donít find Atheism promoted or attacked, and find Christians, Shintos, and Moslems joining together to attack it. What we ALWAYS seem to find, is Christianity being attacked, with Atheists, Deists, Agnostics, Humanists, Wiccans JOINING TOGETHER to attack it.

    Christians believe that their religion is the only true one, that all other religions are false. That atheism is a comparable worldview to a religion (arguably an actual religion) and is just as false as a false religion, it makes sense that a false religion would have comparable beliefs to atheism. (A worship of science for example - a belief that the realms of time and re-arrangement are the only possible explanations for all that exists.) So to repeat the childís last question;



    Not on the planet, but in the U.S., yes. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and many other world religions had practically nothing to do with the founding, or existence today, of the U.S. They have Constitutional liberty, but almost no U.S. political influence. It appears that on message boards such as these, there seem to be a significant number of atheist posters who masquerade as members of some insignificant (in the U.S) religion, and then join with actual atheists to attack Christianity, as if their opinion my be somehow more valid just because they arenít atheist. Their one common denominator is a worship of science. Many religions have a god(s) that are weak and insignificant, and therefore have no differences of opinion on godless scientific philosophy, as put fourth by best selling authors like Dawkins, Stenger, or Harris. Archangel, Have you ever seen our non-atheist friends like child or Q take any exception to anything those authors say, or for that matter, anything an admitted atheist poster here says?

    So the bottom line is, I donít have a problem when members of false religions, and atheists, gang together to oppose Christianity. It shows a unification in them, and separates them equally from the truth of Christianity. Conflicts are almost always two opposing forces.
    Hi marc, thanks for contributing, but as you can see from tq's reply, that you are wasting your time trying to reason with these schmucks. They don't even know the difference between an atheist and idolatry for them to claim that I believe that someone who doesn't believe in the christian belief system, but does believe in another religion is an atheist rather than an idolater. It boggles the mind, the degree of ignorance these people represent.

    Oh, and they aren't getting to me. I'm actually embarrassed for them. But thanks for popping in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Q View Post
    Which means what?
    Uh, it means a lot of what I said is true, and you can't address it.


    This is just an example of how twisted your thinking is-I can agree with someone without sharing their every thought and belief.
    But you never debate them on other thoughts and beliefs. Christians every thought and belief is constantly dissected here, with the divisions drawn exactly as I described.

    To you, that idea is alien. Which is why you consider Kenneth Miller an atheist.
    He doesn't provide evidence for anything but. Nice try at changing the subject too.


    What religion are you-branch and denomination.
    So you answer a question with a question? I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran. Still waiting for your answer. About a year ago you put in big huge bold letters that you're not an atheist. Just can't disclose what you are, can you?
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    NO, you are again lying and completely misrepresenting the context of the discussion. We weren't discussing whether or not people of other religions are atheists at all. That question or premise was never even a consideration. You cannot rip my comments in a debate out of context and assert that I was saying that anyone who believes in another religion other than the christian one is an atheist. WHY? Because we weren't even discussing that possibility or option.

    Your inference is completely fallacious as it assumes a conversation that was never taking place.
    Your original challenge in this thread was to look through every post on the forum, and to find any examples of a "statement being directly made or even implied by any member that unless one accept the christian version of events, then they are atheists". That challenge did not require the conversation to be directly talking about the matter as the main topic of the thread, nor did it require a direct statement such as "That Muslim is an atheist". All it needed was an implication to be made. And you have made several.

    If, in the gun control forum, I was to say that "treating the Constitution like it's been set in stone is akin to a YEC's scripture-worship", you could imply from that phrase that I consider Young Earth Creationists to worship scripture. That would not have been the topic of the thread, or even of the post - it's the gun control forum, after all - but the implication would still have been there. In the same way, you haven't posted specifically about non-believer atheists, but implications can be drawn directly from your posts. You challenged someone to find such implications, I found them.

    Unless you would like to provide the appropriate context of your quotes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc
    What we have to do first is define how debates in these matters often go. We donít see debates here where Buddhism is promoted or attacked, and find Atheists, Christians, Hindus, etc joining together to attack it. We donít see debates where Islam is promoted or attacked, and find Atheists, Christians, and Buddhists joining together to attack it. We donít find Atheism promoted or attacked, and find Christians, Shintos, and Moslems joining together to attack it. What we ALWAYS seem to find, is Christianity being attacked, with Atheists, Deists, Agnostics, Humanists, Wiccans JOINING TOGETHER to attack it.
    ...actually, from what I can remember the last time we had a non-Christian religion discussed on the boards, Archangel attacked them as much as the atheists, agnostics etc did. Eanassir.

    It doesn't happen that often, however, because the boards are dominated by the Christian spectrum. On other boards I've visited where members have more varied beliefs, they equally get called into question by everyone else. Even on these forums, it's not uncommon to see two different branches of Christianity 'team up with the atheists' on a particular point.

    Not on the planet, but in the U.S., yes. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and many other world religions had practically nothing to do with the founding, or existence today, of the U.S. They have Constitutional liberty, but almost no U.S. political influence.
    This may be true, but it is irrelevant. We aren't talking about the influence of non-Christian religion, just it's existence.

    It appears that on message boards such as these, there seem to be a significant number of atheist posters who masquerade as members of some insignificant (in the U.S) religion, and then join with actual atheists to attack Christianity, as if their opinion my be somehow more valid just because they arenít atheist. Their one common denominator is a worship of science.
    Examples?

    Flying Spaghetti Monster not accepted, as it's a thought experiment and famously so.

    best selling authors like Dawkins, Stenger, or Harris. Archangel, Have you ever seen our non-atheist friends like child or Q take any exception to anything those authors say, or for that matter, anything an admitted atheist poster here says?
    Ironically, I made one about 20 hours ago.
    I wouldn't say I debate in the same style as the other two (TQ & OC) - in fact, I'm not a fan of confrontational debating at all (with the odd exception). However, I certainly class myself as an agnostic.
    The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Q View Post
    There are so many falsehoods, gaps of logic, errors, and outright deceptions in these few paragraphs that it boggles the mind...
    Not when you take in to account that marc has the same ideas as Archie.

    Notice he "forgets" that Mathew and Shadow never get the kind of XXXX that him and Archie do. Simple, because Marc like Archie believe if you disagree, you're an atheist. Remember Marc called himself an atheist when he said that the Jewish family who sued to remove the Cross from state land were atheists. Remember, we're not dealing with intelligent people here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc9000 View Post
    YoWe donít find Atheism promoted or attacked, and find Christians, Shintos, and Moslems joining together to attack it. What we ALWAYS seem to find, is Christianity being attacked, with Atheists, Deists, Agnostics, Humanists, Wiccans JOINING TOGETHER to attack it.
    By your logic, you believe that Archie's view is the only interpretation of Christanity and that all other views, such as Shadow's and Mathews aren't.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    I'll file this away when you lie in the future about not tying interpretations to the entire religion to prove, you like Archie are a big fat liar.

    Apparently to you people, the fact that Shadow and Mathew are Christians and DON'T get the same flak as your peanut gallery makes them not Christian.

    Logic and sanity however would obviously point out that it's not Christanity per se, it's your FRACKED UP INTERPRETATIONS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    First of all, in reference to Brigid and Antonia, both of them are self proclaimed atheists so nothing in my statements to them was in error.
    O'rly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brigid View Post
    No church has to marry any couple if they do not wish to do so.

    I could head in to a Catholic or Lutheran church right now, and they have no obligation to marry me (a Wiccan - before that a Baptist) to anyone of the opposite sex (or same sex for that matter).
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    Quote Originally Posted by antonia View Post
    I'm not an atheist.
    http://www.4forums.com/political/356120-post211.html

    I'm not holding my breath you'll admit you screwed up. You never do anyways. What else can I expect from someone with so much Hubris. By the way, learn what Oedipus did. Pride comes before a fall. And your coming fall is going to be immense.

    Really, where do you live? I'm sure I can find you a community college course on reading comprehension. God knows you need it.
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    Marc, you and Archie don't seem to get it.

    We don't tolerate stupidity regardless of where it comes from.

    http://www.4forums.com/political/sci...ut-comets.html

    Notice we gave endless amounts of XXXX to eanassir, who was a Muslim.

    And who's the Shinto here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by obvious_child View Post
    Thanks for posting these proclamations by Brigid and antonia. I'll readily admit that its impossible to keep the personal belief systems of this diverse gang of unbelievers straight. I guess I often generally refer to someone as an atheist when they are actually just a secular humanist or some other offshoot of that mind set. But that does nothing to validate the premise for this thread in any way.

    Now all you have to show is that I have positively argued that anyone who follows another religion other than christianity is in fact an atheist. And that you will never do. That's what you have claimed after all, that rather than mistakingly label a humanist an atheist, that I have universally argued that any person who holds to other religious beliefs other than christianity is by default an atheist, and as usual, that premise is an absolute perversion of the truth of what I have represented here. So you can play your game of semantics all you like, but that does nothing to validate the premise of this thread.

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    These "mistakes" are easily made when one sprays the word around as an insult against all and sundry, but then supernaturalists tend to be hazy when facts enter the equation. That's when the obfuscation hits the rotating air moving device.
    The ignoring of others' clear statements cleaves to the heart of the behaviour. It is no accident when the offence is occurring again and again unchecked by reality. The labeling of others as "atheist" when their superstition does not coincide with yours, is no mistake. No amount of lexical terpsichorean turpitude will fix that. Seeking to redefine the question will not work either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penfold View Post
    These "mistakes" are easily made when one sprays the word around as an insult against all and sundry, but then supernaturalists tend to be hazy when facts enter the equation. That's when the obfuscation hits the rotating air moving device.
    The ignoring of others' clear statements cleaves to the heart of the behaviour. It is no accident when the offence is occurring again and again unchecked by reality. The labeling of others as "atheist" when their superstition does not coincide with yours, is no mistake. No amount of lexical terpsichorean turpitude will fix that. Seeking to redefine the question will not work either.
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