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    Quote Originally Posted by trebor View Post
    That was the argument when Portugal legalized all drugs a few years ago.

    Drug use actually decreased.. as well as transmission of HIV via drug use.

    5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results: Scientific American
    Portugal did not legalize all drugs. They decriminalized the possesion of small amounts for personal usage. There is a very big difference. It is still illegal to sell drugs, to traffic drugs, and to cultivate drugs in Portugal.

    On April 22, 1999, the Portuguese government announced a decision from the council of ministers to decriminalize the use and possession of drugs for personal use. This plan abolishes the three month imprisonment rendered as punishment for these offenses, and emphasizes harm-reduction strategies as an alternate means of control. Decriminalization does not mean that possession and use are not sanctioned, however penalties have been reduced to fines, community service, and/or revocation of driver licenses for minor drug offenders.
    European Drug Policy: Analysis and Case Studies - NORML
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    I think they should legalize, regulate and tax marijuana. It would help the economy, too, being that its California's number one cash crop. Let people have a few plants in their own home.

    I'm open-minded, but undecided about some others, and coming down with a definite no on another bunch. I'm in no rush to see any of these on the market.

    I do think it would be a good idea to put forth marijuana legislation reform, and now, given the economic problems, but as usual, they will not pursue the commonsensical course of action.

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    all drugs should be legal. This would put an end to the carnage, the criminality and the billions of dollars wasted, totally wasted trying to prevent them. This is the opinion of experts, and police after decades of failing to vanishing. To keep drugs illegal only favours the criminals.

    The movie "Traffic" is still as relevant and true as when it was first screened .

    http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/revi...Traffic&st=cse

    Once they are legal, restriction on their sale can be put in effect. The way tobacco smoking has been dealt with, it is proof that it can be done.
    In the beginning probably their would be a raise in consumption but later with education, and other preventive measures and of course treatment usage would certainly diminish,
    No, I have never 'experimented' with drugs except cigarettes.

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    All In The Family

    I watched "Traffic" last night and today I read that the situation is worse than ever before.

    La Familia is now reckoned to be Mexico’s biggest maker of methamphetamines, as well as controlling the import, transport and sale of cocaine in the state. But drugs account for only half its revenues. It also sells pirated DVDs, smuggles people to the United States, and runs a debt-collecting service (it kidnaps defaulters, reportedly charging 7% of the settlement). Its extortion racket has squeezed Michoacán’s once-prosperous avocado growers and nightclubs almost out of existence. A government employee says her father has run down his timber business, laying off workers, rather than pay the $600 a month demanded by La Familia. It has laundered these revenues by buying or using countless legal businesses. Edgardo Buscaglia, a legal specialist at ITAM, a Mexico City university, reckons that there is almost no economic activity in Michoacán that is untouched by the traffickers.

    La Familia has also bought some local politicians. It shows no mercy to those who reject its embrace: some 20 municipal officials have been murdered in Michoacán, including two mayors. Having established its authority, it then names local police chiefs. Last month seven mayors were charged over their ties to the gang. The half-brother of the state’s governor, who was himself elected to the national Congress earlier this month, has fled after being charged with graft. Other politicians admit that they are scared. “I know who’s from La Familia in my town,” says Juan Carlos Campos, who heads the public-security committee of the Michoacán legislature. “I see them in their cars. But I don’t report them, because they’d kill me.”

    Many in Michoacán support Mr Calderón’s battle against La Familia. Others are tiring of it. Complaints of abuses by troops are mounting. Leonel Godoy, Michoacán’s governor who is from the left-of-centre Party of the Democratic Revolution, called the latest troop deployment “an occupation.” He was particularly peeved when federal agents stormed his offices in May.

    Vanquishing La Familia will require more than just firepower. Although the government boasts of rising arrests, most of the people it detains are never charged. Mexico’s asset-seizure laws are too weak to have much effect on money laundering. Corruption remains rampant. Recession and rising unemployment will provide the crime mobs with a bigger pool of potential recruits. Retaking Michoacán from La Familia will require a better police force and a more effective state. This is a battle that has only just begun.

    Mexico's drug gangs: Taking on the unholy family | The Economist

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    That's what I'm talkin 'bout Winny. Legalize it!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUNxTime View Post
    That's what I'm talkin 'bout Winny. Legalize it!!!!!
    Whoa there! Slow down. Legalize what...everything? Let's use Meth as an example. Do you honestly think that if we suddenly legalized Meth in this country that corporations would all of the sudden open Meth factories in Cleveland? Hell, people in McDonalds get sued because their coffee is too hot and some ##### burns himself. Tobacco companies are losing court battle after court battle due to the drug they peddle. Do you honestly think any business would take on the liability of producing meth? My guess would that legalizing Meth would only fuel the underground network of Meth manufacturing, which alone is highly dangerous. Meth is a dangerous and highly addictive drug that causes frequently medical problems for it's users, and often creates problems for friends, family, coworkers, and strangers who cross paths with the Meth addict.

    I have more than my share of experience dealing with people high on all kinds of drugs and can honestly state that in my opinion, it is simply irresponsible to advocate legalizing all drugs. They need to be taken on a drug by drug basis.
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    Cigarette smoking is legal, but because the government (at least in Australia) has used the taxes it imposes on tobacco products to fund a successful campaign to educate the young about its dangers combined with restrictions to where you can smoke (practically only in your home). As a result of it tobacco consumption has diminished drastically.
    Keeping drugs illegal only helps the criminals, see the sad reality not only in Colombia, but Mexico and on the other side of the border.
    Billions have been wasted on the so called ‘war on drugs’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakespit View Post
    Whoa there! Slow down. Legalize what...everything? Let's use Meth as an example. Do you honestly think that if we suddenly legalized Meth in this country that corporations would all of the sudden open Meth factories in Cleveland? Hell, people in McDonalds get sued because their coffee is too hot and some ##### burns himself. Tobacco companies are losing court battle after court battle due to the drug they peddle. Do you honestly think any business would take on the liability of producing meth? My guess would that legalizing Meth would only fuel the underground network of Meth manufacturing, which alone is highly dangerous. Meth is a dangerous and highly addictive drug that causes frequently medical problems for it's users, and often creates problems for friends, family, coworkers, and strangers who cross paths with the Meth addict.

    I have more than my share of experience dealing with people high on all kinds of drugs and can honestly state that in my opinion, it is simply irresponsible to advocate legalizing all drugs. They need to be taken on a drug by drug basis.
    I'm not saying that we should (or even could vis. the meth example). However, let me ask you this...if we're going to legalize ______ to get rid of the black market and such but keep ______ illegal, won't we still have the same basic problems we have now? I'm not sure either way.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Cigarette smoking is legal, but because the government (at least in Australia) has used the taxes it imposes on tobacco products to fund a successful campaign to educate the young about its dangers combined with restrictions to where you can smoke (practically only in your home). As a result of it tobacco consumption has diminished drastically.
    Keeping drugs illegal only helps the criminals, see the sad reality not only in Colombia, but Mexico and on the other side of the border.
    Billions have been wasted on the so called ‘war on drugs’.
    Check this out

    Think about these numbers...it is simply amazing. The war on drugs is a joke. I however do not think that this means in any way that we should legalize all drugs. Just legalizing marijuana would free up law enforcement and fund to actually make a dent in the manufacturing and sale of harder, more dangerous drugs, and could be used for treatment and abuse prevention.
    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and monkeys do too (if they have a gun)". -Eddie Izzard

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUNxTime View Post
    I'm not saying that we should (or even could vis. the meth example). However, let me ask you this...if we're going to legalize ______ to get rid of the black market and such but keep ______ illegal, won't we still have the same basic problems we have now? I'm not sure either way.....
    I saw a figure from 2006 that said we spent approximately 42 billion due to our marijuana laws. Think of what we could do with 42 billion dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snakespit View Post
    I saw a figure from 2006 that said we spent approximately 42 billion due to our marijuana laws. Think of what we could do with 42 billion dollars.
    you guys could invade Iran with that sort of money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    you guys could invade Iran with that sort of money.

    I vote for a prolonged bombing campaign of Sydney.
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    I am not surprised

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    War without end

    The United States spends nearly $50 billion each year on the war on drugs, to little avail: illegal drugs remain prevalent, and drug-funded groups continue to spread violence from Mexico to Afghanistan. The new White House drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske, says he wants to end the drug war, but other men in his position have tried and failed to do just that. In this illustrated history, Ricardo Cortes shows how science, politics, ego, and scandal transformed a public-health initiative into a century-long military campaign.


    Sketches of the Drug Czars | vanityfair.com

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    There are three ways to put out a fire: extinguish the fire, consume all immediate matter than could be used as further kindle (ie: blowing up a flaming oil derrick and letting the explosion consume all immediate oxygen), let the fire run it's course and naturally extinguish itself. These are of course put in order from least destructive to most.

    Extinguishing the fire before it spreads (war on drugs) has already failed and only succeeds in sucking money out of the federal expenditure and fueling organized crime which in the end just makes it worse than when it started.

    Destroying all immediate matter that could be used as further kindle would require either killing every person used in the creation, transaction, or consumption of illegal narcotics or wiping the materials needed from the face of the earth. This, of course, is impractical.

    Letting drugs run free and "run it's course" so to say is actually one of the most realistic solutions I can think of off the top of my head. If reputable companies control the grade and regulate the drugs to an extent deemed legal by law and it is taxed to the extent of cigarettes then it does three things: fuel capitalism and produce new jobs, increase instead of decrease government funds, damage organized crime's drug money. The various groups of American organized crime thrived in the roaring 20s largely thanks to prohibition. The Illegal cartels will run dry on fuel as does a fire when it has consumed all that is possible in the area. The competition from other "fires" which the government will actually encourage and "feed" will only expedite this matter.


    Please, let it be noted that a 20-year-old's 10 second brainstorm and loose metaphor is probably not the best course of action, but it seems logical to me. Unfortunately, logic and reality do not always go hand-in-hand.
    "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."

    Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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