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    Racial words, cussing, and other expressions

    I'd like to get some other's opinions on the whole 'word' debate. I mean, yes there are better, more articulate ways to get one's point across than using racial epithets, curse words, and name calling in general. But sometime there are words that fit. Like when someone almost kills you as they cut you off in traffic. Should everything be on the table? Does/should free speech protect ALL speech? Are words just words and simply a means of expression?


    Or is that not the case? Should some words be off limits or should all 'bad' or none? Should be individually censor ourselves or should certain 'standards' be put in place?

    What do you all think about this issue?
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    CUNx,

    Should be individually censor ourselves or should certain 'standards' be put in place?

    Ideally, this training should be focused in the home.

    My father was the most peaceful man on Earth, yet the only time he ever hit me good was when I used the "N" word to describe one of our neighbors.

    On the other hand I know that there are families where the use of offensive words is not only condoned but encouraged.

    In those cases, I think the law should step in because, as you have said in another forum, there is a second individual involved - the person to whom the words are directed.

    That person has been subjected to an assault just as surely as if (s)he had been mugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhbcu64 View Post
    CUNx,

    Should be individually censor ourselves or should certain 'standards' be put in place?

    Ideally, this training should be focused in the home.

    My father was the most peaceful man on Earth, yet the only time he ever hit me good was when I used the "N" word to describe one of our neighbors.

    On the other hand I know that there are families where the use of offensive words is not only condoned but encouraged.

    In those cases, I think the law should step in because, as you have said in another forum, there is a second individual involved - the person to whom the words are directed.

    That person has been subjected to an assault just as surely as if (s)he had been mugged.

    So it would be a criminal matter? Or civil? Or both? Also, I'm not just wondering about racial epithets, but 'bad' words in general (although we can stick with racial for now). Where does free speech stop and the law begin? What if the words aren't directed at a specific person? Does that 'lessen the wrongness' (for lack of a better term)?

    As I said, it would be better from a communication standpoint to not use questionable terms (a perfect example is the previous thread and the amount of posts to try to determine the definition of 'knuckle-dragger' and 'redneck'
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    Words are nothing more than tools of expression and manipulation and all people should know how to articulate themselves using the pantheon of vocabulary present to do so.

    Wishing to silence anyone in any manner is an assault their on civil rights regardless of whether you find it offensive or not.
    If you don't like what they're saying, rebuke them in like manner...only more so. Because with humanity, the demogogues will rule the day.


    In regards to the BS that was brought up over the 'knuckle dragger' comment.
    Right after seeing that present here days ago, right on prime time TV, the term was used by a white person against another white person to denote sloth and cave-man like barbarity.
    It was said in a popular sit-com.
    Before that thread, I had never heard the term used to denote race and had heard it refered to as the above given definition.

    Personally, say what you please and forget about offending people.
    Because, quite honestly, people will easily find something to get offended over no matter what you say.
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    So the only remedy for free speech is more of it...
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    Virginia Beach has a "no cursing" policy along the major strip. Is this a good idea? Well, at night when a bunch of drunks are wandering down the road and they start cussing at people it generally lends itself to fights and annoys the community and police. In this case it actually works ok and probably isn't a terrible policy.

    I guess it is generally a case by case basis that should be left up to the locality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeeeve View Post
    Virginia Beach has a "no cursing" policy along the major strip. Is this a good idea? Well, at night when a bunch of drunks are wandering down the road and they start cussing at people it generally lends itself to fights and annoys the community and police. In this case it actually works ok and probably isn't a terrible policy.

    I guess it is generally a case by case basis that should be left up to the locality.

    I don't agree with a 'no cussing' policy as much as I would disorderly public conduct. It is up to a town to do what it thinks is right, but I would think that passing the law against speech is dangerous. I'd think it would be better to outlaw behavior rather than words. (although I've been to Va Beach and they did need to do something to clean it up IMO)
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    Zardoz,

    Wishing to silence anyone in any manner is an assault their on civil rights regardless of whether you find it offensive or not.

    Then are we to presume that you would not object to the decriminalization of the dissemination of kiddie porn?

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    Use whatever words you like. I will judge you accordingly. So will the law. But we can't legislate manners. Only penalize wanton insensitivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    Use whatever words you like. I will judge you accordingly. So will the law. But we can't legislate manners. Only penalize wanton insensitivity.
    I think we can 'penalize' with our behavior toward wantonly insensitivity, i.e. don't shop there or vote for that guy or whatever, but not penalize via the power of the govt. I don't think the 'powers that be' have any business censoring speech, even ugly, nasty, hateful speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUNxTime View Post
    I don't think the 'powers that be' have any business censoring speech, even ugly, nasty, hateful speech.
    How about in the workplace? How about on the campus of a public school? How about broadcast outlets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhbcu64 View Post
    Zardoz,

    Wishing to silence anyone in any manner is an assault their on civil rights regardless of whether you find it offensive or not.

    Then are we to presume that you would not object to the decriminalization of the dissemination of kiddie porn?
    Well, you see, I'm a fascist...well, according to all my opponents I am.

    I personally don't believe 'images' is the same thing as 'SPEECH'. Sorry, only liberal douche-bags in need of a but-kiss from my assault rifle toting goose steppers believe such to be true.

    Nah, say all you like but, displaying images is a different matter.
    So, don't ASSume anything.


    Unless it's kiddie porn done with slave kiddies.
    Seeing as I support slavery and all that.
    Nothing like turning another human into the object it really is...like they do with abortion 'rights'.
    But, since slaves are akin to being beasts of burden...wouldn't it then become beastiality?


    In the end, it's rally all about karma and the goldish rule.
    You treat other people rudely and you can expect like treatment...that you can then use to justify yourself. Swweeeeett.




    *PS, you can take my initial post to be tongue in cheeck...fascists like myself want to silence everyone! MuAhahahahaha!!1
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    Zardoz,

    Nah, say all you like but, displaying images is a different matter.

    Oh, I get it. One can WRITE kiddie porn, but not illustrate it.

    How about declaiming it from a soapbox on the town square?

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    BTW, it was not I but you who said that you favored removing all restrictions on speech.

    Care to rethink the issue? Care to think about your statement at all?

    Gee, it's fun to watch you righties twist slowly, slowly in the wind.

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    Zard,

    Just in case you try to disavow or, like a certain other poster here and elsewhere, delete your post, here it is from #4 on this forum:

    Wishing to silence anyone in any manner is an assault their on civil rights regardless of whether you find it offensive or not.

    Your words, not mine, say "any manner".

    Please don't trip as you backpedal so furiously.

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    Dear mr. random letters jumbled together,

    It's quite clear that we don't often visit the same subforums to have developed a mutual understanding of each others positions and posting styles.

    But, most here will attest that I delete nothing (I have had several posts deleted by the Illuminati but, that's another matter).

    As my siggy states, I will mock you.
    I rejoyce is doing so.
    It often clearly demonstrates a point.
    The hypocracy of the poster being mocked.

    I find it odd that many will decry attacks on their stances as an infringement of their 'gawd given civil rights' but, in all haste seek to silence the opposition with "laws*"

    Quote Originally Posted by *
    In those cases, I think the law should step in because, as you have said in another forum, there is a second individual involved - the person to whom the words are directed.

    That person has been subjected to an assault just as surely as if (s)he had been mugged.
    A verbal assault is nothing like a mugging. Comparing them is apples and oranges.

    As to the kiddie porn.
    All you need do is walk into an adult book store and you can easily find lurid literature in written format describing child molestation. Sold legally.
    Images however, seem to be restricted.
    Odd group of laws. Images are protected free speech except when...

    As to declaiming it from a soap box. Many would. However, not all lynch mobs seem to be prosecuted legally so, more ofthen than not, NAMBLA types exercise discernment and don't do so. But, in my job as a synopsis writer for the media, there was a recent case of a man from WA. moving to CA. and very publically, and LEGALLY protected, running a web site on 'How to...' for the molestors. You should have watched the backlash as some tried to find a way to silence him...with a new CA. law (they pass thousands yearly ya know).

    Do I care?
    Nope. Actually, they'd end up just attracting more attention to themselves and those who follow them and thus, could end up the target of legal action more easily if they DO something.

    See, all you're doing is pushing them down into the dark and preventing people from expressing themselves because you disagree with it. If you let them out into the light, you can more easily follow what they DO and actually listen to what they're talking about rather than simply vilianify them with a glance of their 'book cover'.

    In the end, I don't need to re-think anything. I've already had it thought out for me by professionals in the legal field.

    As to my comments on civil rights.
    Do a search on 'Right's' on these forums and you will find that I do NOT believe in them. I've spoken at length about them here in various discussions.
    They are societial constructs and subject to change.
    I have NO concern for whether they exist or not.
    I have ALWAYS done as I please and will continue to do so (until The MAN cracks down on me...and I do have fairly extensive experience with the 'law').

    So, rather than thinking you caught me 'back peddaling' for describing myself some in the previous posting cf. 'a fascist' all you've done is shown that you have no research abilities nor familiriarity with me and my posting style.
    It happens. That's why I posted my 2nd post.


    Oh, and while surfing for some cartoons on the Internets after posting last night, I stumbled upong this article on slavery.
    Wow!
    More slaves in existance now than any other time in history.


    Awesome.



    And for further clarification;
    "Wishing to silence anyone in any manner is an assault their on civil rights regardless of whether you find it offensive or not."

    Is a technically true statement when you evaluate what is known as civil rights in regards to most US laws.
    I don't have to believe it to state it and use it in a mocking manner.
    And as my above suggestion on doing a search of my past posts would go to show, if I were to believe in that and believe in my past posts...well, I'd have a double bind.
    So, in the future, don't assume to believe that every comment made by someone is to be taken as a statement of belief by them.

    It's fun to watch liberals who don't understand linguistic manipulation twist in the wind as they try to attack something they don't know anything about.
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    -If I mock you on a forum board...and you're too stupid to know...are you really being mocked?
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