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    Dane Falsely Accusing Me of Being a Bigot:

    Dane has repeatedly and blatantly branded me a bigot in the Gay Rights Forum and refused to support his claim with any evidence. In his usual fashion, in this post alone he calls me a bigot 5 times DIRECTLY, and 2 more times INDIRECTLY. I want him to support his claims with links to actual posts I have written in their proper context, that are bigoted statements, rather than just me giving my opinions which reflect my moral values that direct my personal life, or are relevant to the debate I was in at the time. So put up or apologize Dane. And stop the name calling in debates, and just support your arguments with facts.

    http://www.4forums.com/political/sho...3&postcount=25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Dane has repeatedly and blatantly branded me a bigot in the Gay Rights Forum and refused to support his claim with any evidence. In his usual fashion, in this post alone he calls me a bigot 5 times DIRECTLY, and 2 more times INDIRECTLY. I want him to support his claims with links to actual posts I have written in their proper context, that are bigoted statements, rather than just me giving my opinions which reflect my moral values that direct my personal life, or are relevant to the debate I was in at the time. So put up or apologize Dane. And stop the name calling in debates, and just support your arguments with facts.

    http://www.4forums.com/political/sho...3&postcount=25
    After reviewing the thread in question, the initial start of the thread made very bigoted assumptions based on pure irrational dislike. I have to say that Dane is correct.
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    And as for other proof, there's this classic:
    "And let's face it, you're as touchy, judgmental and bitchy as a gay "

    Standard homophobic stereotypes; classic biggotry. The original post was so offensive the admin deleted it, but many people quoted it before it was axed.

    http://www.4forums.com/political/showthread.php?t=10813

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronus View Post
    And as for other proof, there's this classic:
    "And let's face it, you're as touchy, judgmental and bitchy as a gay "

    Standard homophobic stereotypes; classic biggotry. The original post was so offensive the admin deleted it, but many people quoted it before it was axed.

    http://www.4forums.com/political/showthread.php?t=10813
    Actually, I don't consider that statement bigoted at all, simply because it's true. Just look at how ultra-sensitive you are regarding any criticism at all that is directed toward your community and my point is made. And that post was deleted because it was a sweeping generalization, not because it was bigoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Dane has repeatedly and blatantly branded me a bigot in the Gay Rights Forum and refused to support his claim with any evidence. In his usual fashion, in this post alone he calls me a bigot 5 times DIRECTLY, and 2 more times INDIRECTLY. I want him to support his claims with links to actual posts I have written in their proper context, that are bigoted statements, rather than just me giving my opinions which reflect my moral values that direct my personal life, or are relevant to the debate I was in at the time. So put up or apologize Dane. And stop the name calling in debates, and just support your arguments with facts.

    http://www.4forums.com/political/sho...3&postcount=25
    Actually, in that tread, I showed one of the several reasons you are a bigot, namely that you want to restrict others from having the same chances, privileges and rights as you enjoy merely because they are homosexuals. So yes, I did document why and how you are a bigot. To try to deflect this as your lame excuse of "moral values" is bogus. As I pointed out ALSO in the tread, your values are your own, but when you push those bigoted values on others, then you most certainly ARE a bigot.

    So no lie there, just direct observation of your posts, yes you are a bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    Actually, in that tread, I showed one of the several reasons you are a bigot, namely that you want to restrict others from having the same chances, privileges and rights as you enjoy merely because they are homosexuals. So yes, I did document why and how you are a bigot. To try to deflect this as your lame excuse of "moral values" is bogus. As I pointed out ALSO in the tread, your values are your own, but when you push those bigoted values on others, then you most certainly ARE a bigot.

    So no lie there, just direct observation of your posts, yes you are a
    bigot.
    Post the values that I pushed on anyone Dane!!! You are saying that by simply giving my opinion, I am forcing or insisting that others adopt my beliefs. So you documented nothing at all. post your claims as evidence for all to see Dane. And remember that I'm going to ask admin to judge the validity of your claims, so be precise in showing how I was acting in a bigoted fashion. Just insisting that you're right is evidence of nothing Dane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Post the values that I pushed on anyone Dane!!! You are saying that by simply giving my opinion, I am forcing or insisting that others adopt my beliefs. So you documented nothing at all. post your claims as evidence for all to see Dane. And remember that I'm going to ask admin to judge the validity of your claims, so be precise in showing how I was acting in a bigoted fashion. Just insisting that you're right is evidence of nothing Dane.
    AS I JUST POINTED OUT and which you apparently is to illiterate to comprehend, your wanting to push discrimination and denial of societal rights onto homosexuals merely because they are homosexual, makes you a bigot. You can try to run from that or fudge with sophistry, but the fact remains that you WANT to discriminate against people just because you don't like them. hence, you ARE a bigot, all your revisionist linguistics and cowardly obfuscations none withstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    AS I JUST POINTED OUT and which you apparently is to illiterate to comprehend, your wanting to push discrimination and denial of societal rights onto homosexuals merely because they are homosexual, makes you a bigot. You can try to run from that or fudge with sophistry, but the fact remains that you WANT to discriminate against people just because you don't like them. hence, you ARE a bigot, all your revisionist linguistics and cowardly obfuscations none withstanding.
    Your statement is seeped in ignorance and fallacies as usual. And I'm not going to let you squirm out of this by blaming me for your lack of insight. You are implying that because one is against gay marriage they are discriminating against them by denying them equal rights. That's fallacious because gay marriage is seeking special rights, not equal rights. And most every high Court in America agrees with me as they have rejected the arguments for gay marriage.

    So all you are again doing is taking your preferred, warped moral values perspective and attempting to clobber me over the head by labeling me a bigot because I reject your amoral World view. And here's an interesting link that supports what I am saying. I'm in no way alone in my beliefs and I submit that you must condemn at least two thirds of this Country as bigots if you can get away with calling me one. So back up your claims with solid evidence OTHER THAN YOUR WORTHLESS AND WARPED OPINION WHICH CARRIES NO WEIGHT AT ALL WITH ME.

    http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/002673.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Your statement is seeped in ignorance and fallacies as usual. And I'm not going to let you squirm out of this by blaming me for your lack of insight.
    LOL, all this just because you can't accept having been exposed as a bigot. Pathetic.
    You are implying that because one is against gay marriage they are discriminating against them by denying them equal rights. That's fallacious because gay marriage is seeking special rights, not equal rights.
    So lets recap. YOU can marry the one you love. Homosexuals cannot marry the one they love. And you call it special rights. Are you dumb or just so flagrantly dishonest that you can't even notice when you lie? Flagrantly bigoted positions like you, pushing outright discrimination using exactly the same bigoted #### for justification as was used to oppose interracial marriages is the HALLMARK of bigotry. EVERY post you make on this subject further cements the documentation of you as a bigot.

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    If AA isn't a bigot, the word has no meaning.

    It's a typical ploy of people like AA to try to redefine out of existence negatively-connotated terms (homophobe, bigot, racist, etc.) that were coined precisely to describe people like themselves.

    I can't tell you how many times I've seen homophobes trying to parse the word's syllables to get themselves off the hook: "'Phobe' means fear," this tactic always starts, "and since I'm not afraid of those depraved, disgusting gays, I'm not a homophobe.' (Yeah, right. The fear of your child being "turned gay" or the institution of marriage being debased by two guys tying the not isn't really fear. Uh-huh.)

    If people don't want to be called bigots, my advice is that to refrain from acting like they're on the old "$25,000 Pyramind" show and the topic is "Things a Bigot Would Say."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWriteLA View Post
    If AA isn't a bigot, the word has no meaning.
    In a nutshell.
    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin

    "One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision" - Bertrand Russell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Actually, I don't consider that statement bigoted at all, simply because it's true.
    You're not a bigot, all gays really are "touchy, judgmental and bitchy"? Classic!

    Seriously, debate over, Archie loses in one. Obviously Archie won't see it that way, but does anyone else disagree?

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    I am asking admin to read the link in the OP, and make a decision about Danes repeated assaults on me as he has produced not one link proving I am in fact a bigot at all. He has claimed on the other thread that I fight to prevent gays from being able to marry and has only repeated his lie that I am bigoted against gays on this thread simply because as most of the States High Courts have ruled, I also believe that gay marriage is a special right. No one has ever said that gay people can't get married. No one has ever said that 2 gay people couldn't marry. The law only restricts that two people of the same sex can't marry.

    But rather than let the gay crusaders derail this thread and pile on with their very subjective hatred for me and my christian values, I would like your decision as to whether he has proven anything at all with his repeated mockery and insisting the same thing while proving nothing at all. I have over 3500 posts here and this guy has posted ZERO posts that I have said anything bigoted at all. I asked that he be reprimanded in what ever way you see fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie
    "And let's face it, you're as touchy, judgmental and bitchy as a gay "
    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Actually, I don't consider that statement bigoted at all, simply because it's true. Just look at how ultra-sensitive you are regarding any criticism at all that is directed toward your community and my point is made. And that post was deleted because it was a sweeping generalization, not because it was bigoted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronus View Post
    You're not a bigot, all gays really are "touchy, judgmental and bitchy"? Classic! Seriously, debate over, Archie loses in one. Obviously Archie won't see it that way, but does anyone else disagree?
    This is an interesting observation of bigotry.
    1. He makes an obviously bigoted statement.
    2. He gets called on it, but still can't see the problem.
    3. He reiterates the statement and stands by it a second time, and somehow thinks that a sweeping generalization is different than bigotry.

    It is a huge waste of time. Archie ignores me lately, he prefers to snipe and bicker over details with Dane (who should not encourage him, by the way), but I have a single question.

    Are you ready Archie?
    I dare you to respond.
    We are all quite certain you will try wriggle out of this, so please prove us wrong.
    I double dog dare you!!
    Here it is:

    Do you feel that gays are touchy, judgmental and bitchy, as you said above and confirmed?
    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin

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    Bigot: someone utterly intolerant of any different creed, opinion or attitude to their own.

    "You can easily tell a bigot, but you cannot tell them much!"
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