the Devil is fantasy. unless you say he is Bush or Chenney or Rumsfeld

I'm sure you would but that wasnt my point.My point was that the devil is not a Christian boogeyman.

My you, see the evil in the world......

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

Isaiah chapter 45
6. In order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the Lord and there is no other. ו.
7. Who forms light and creates darkness, Who makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.

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Yes, I see wrongdoing.. but I don't see any evil that isn't due to man himself.

No need to invoke a supernatural scapegoat to blame for the stupidity that man does to himself. "The devil made me do it" is not a valid excuse... since the devil is imaginary.

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I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged Me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things (Isaiah 45:5-7 NIV).

Another version.

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

He still isnt a Christian boogeyman.

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

Yes, christians have change the translation of the term 'Ra'. However, it does not appear that the use of the exact term used in the "Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil' in Isaiah is an accident.

This demonstrates that someone's theology will influence their translation.

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It demonstrates that translating one language to another is not an exact science.

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G.K.Chesterton

From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

In Islam, the devil is a djinn, In Judaism, an angelic hitman, sent to do God's dirty work. Only Christianity elevates him to rival status.

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" ... this egregiously ignorant christian ... Archangel 03.09.09

“Probably the toughest time in anyone's life is when you have to murder a loved one because they're the devil.”

Lucifer is always destined to lose so he cannot be a rival.

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When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing—they believe in anything
G.K.Chesterton

From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

Boogeymen never win?

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" ... this egregiously ignorant christian ... Archangel 03.09.09

“Probably the toughest time in anyone's life is when you have to murder a loved one because they're the devil.”

Course not!

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

"Lucifer" , when you look at the context and translation , is only used on one place in the bible.. and that is Isaiah. It is the mocking song against king Neb, and comparing King Neb with a fallen deity who fell due to ego in trying to reach too high.

This shows on how much Christian mythology about 'The Devil' is non-biblical.

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Originally Posted by gansao: I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged Me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things (Isaiah 45:5-7 NIV).

Another version.

Why don't you bold/underline the word in that passage Christians changed, and from what to what? Spell it out.

I smell another Trebor gaffe, or at least an incomplete argument.

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The Devil ,Lucifer, Satan, the serpent in the Garden of Eden. All the same arent they?

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)