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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmen View Post
    I agree with society being the cause of school violence. I dont believe its the schools fault, and it is not necessarily the parents either. If society didn't put so much pressure and stress on children these days, then maybe they wouldn't be as corrupted and turn violent. Being a high school student, I understand the pressures from society, and it is hard to deal with. I understand why some kids go insane and express there rage with violence. Another problem with this political issue would be how easy it is for some kids to get these weapons to cause all this violence. If we eliminated the pressures and easy access to the violent tools we wouldn't have this major issue in the first place.




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    Oh, Carmen, Carmen, Carmen. You are so typical of today's teenager, with your inflated sense of entitlement and your unwillingness to take responsibility for your actions. It's not the parent's fault, it's not the school's fault, it's not the kid's fault, it's society. What, pray tell, constitutes your society as a high school student, if not your parents, school, and friends? You, Carmen, are the reason for school violence, you and your over-indulgent parents, and your PC school, and your self-centered classmates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mads12 View Post
    are the schools responsible for school shootings or the parents of the shooters?
    Schools, parents, society in general. I do think that the election of Obama as president indicates an American desire to return to law and order as opposed to the previous lawless administration.
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    I must amend my previous post and make exception for the gun-crazy nutcases in this country who want to assassinate Obama and kill all the police.

    The NRA breeds anarchists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    Schools, parents, society in general. I do think that the election of Obama as president indicates an American desire to return to law and order as opposed to the previous lawless administration.
    Hum....I don't recall "Law and Order" ever being a DNC platform. I guess you're still trippin' on those shrooms, Simone.

    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    I must amend my previous post and make exception for the gun-crazy nutcases in this country who want to assassinate Obama and kill all the police.

    The NRA breeds anarchists.
    See above comment.

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    Students, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mads12 View Post
    are the schools responsible for school shootings or the parents of the shooters?
    Parents, schools, television, present-day kid culture, Brittney Spears, et al, and other stuff.
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    When students are that violent, I don't think the schools are primarily responsible, even though schools can always do things to help prevent it. Parents, society overall have a bigger influence, but also, students that violent may have medical issues that require psychiatric help and medication. So the failures of our health system, IMO, may be one of the biggest contributers.

    One of the demonstrators at a single payer rally said that she was there because a friend of hers was murdered by someone who lost their medical coverage, so they stopped seeing a psychiatrist and stopped taking medication. About 95-98% of psychiatrists support a single payer solution to the health care crisis.

    Seeing the problems in our society due to violent, unbalanced people, one can see why persons in this profession would be especially atuned to the need.

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    Who's responsible for school violence?

    The simple answer would be the same source that taught children to disrespect authority. If you don't respect those in charge, you're going to wind up showing your discontent through escalating levels of acting out, until somebody eventually gets killed.

    Look at how many school massacres there were when it was publicly condoned to spank your kids, even if public, if they acted up.
    [QUOTE=Brady;363469]When I was a kid I did lots of things like playing with fire and torturing animals even though adults told me not to.[/QUOTE]
    The admission of a sociopathic serial killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarieAntoinette View Post
    When students are that violent, I don't think the schools are primarily responsible, even though schools can always do things to help prevent it. Parents, society overall have a bigger influence, but also, students that violent may have medical issues that require psychiatric help and medication. So the failures of our health system, IMO, may be one of the biggest contributers.

    One of the demonstrators at a single payer rally said that she was there because a friend of hers was murdered by someone who lost their medical coverage, so they stopped seeing a psychiatrist and stopped taking medication. About 95-98% of psychiatrists support a single payer solution to the health care crisis.

    Seeing the problems in our society due to violent, unbalanced people, one can see why persons in this profession would be especially atuned to the need.
    The problem is too many people think like you. You believe that everyone is entitled to the wealth of others so that kids expect there to be a level playing field just because they want it that way and their parents have reinforced the "have-nots should get" mentality. When they see that there are inequities in life, they don't know how to deal with them in an honest way, so they act violently. You, MA, ARE the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    The problem is too many people think like you. You believe that everyone is entitled to the wealth of others so that kids expect there to be a level playing field just because they want it that way and their parents have reinforced the "have-nots should get" mentality. When they see that there are inequities in life, they don't know how to deal with them in an honest way, so they act violently. You, MA, ARE the problem.
    Are you talking about earned wealth?

    Or the ill-gotten wealth of thugs and thieves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone View Post
    Are you talking about earned wealth?

    Or the ill-gotten wealth of thugs and thieves?
    It's irrelevant to the point.
    [QUOTE=Brady;363469]When I was a kid I did lots of things like playing with fire and torturing animals even though adults told me not to.[/QUOTE]
    The admission of a sociopathic serial killer.

    [QUOTE=Penfold;363126]No Personal attacks, insults, name calling, offensive generalizations, or labeling.[/QUOTE]
    He should practice what he preaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPSartre12 View Post
    The problem is too many people think like you. You believe that everyone is entitled to the wealth of others so that kids expect there to be a level playing field just because they want it that way and their parents have reinforced the "have-nots should get" mentality. When they see that there are inequities in life, they don't know how to deal with them in an honest way, so they act violently. You, MA, ARE the problem.
    Oh really? Well, Mister JP know-it-all, when it comes to school violence, my children are honor students, actively engaged in their community, who don't do drugs, don't smoke, and don't fool around.

    Whowuddaguessed?

    Seems I'm part of the solution!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarieAntoinette View Post
    Oh really? Well, Mister JP know-it-all, when it comes to school violence, my children are honor students, actively engaged in their community, who don't do drugs, don't smoke, and don't fool around.

    Whowuddaguessed?

    Seems I'm part of the solution!
    Only if you can prove that honor students don't engage in the bullying of others and perpetuating the cycles of violence.
    [QUOTE=Brady;363469]When I was a kid I did lots of things like playing with fire and torturing animals even though adults told me not to.[/QUOTE]
    The admission of a sociopathic serial killer.

    [QUOTE=Penfold;363126]No Personal attacks, insults, name calling, offensive generalizations, or labeling.[/QUOTE]
    He should practice what he preaches.

    The three duties of government: 1. Protect property 2. preserve contracts 3. provide for the rule of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATO 556 View Post
    Only if you can prove that honor students don't engage in the bullying of others and perpetuating the cycles of violence.
    Logic behooves that the assumption and burden of proof lies the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATO 556 View Post
    Only if you can prove that honor students don't engage in the bullying of others and perpetuating the cycles of violence.
    For cryeye! Honor students spend their times on their books and profitable activities because they want to get ahead.
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