What should America's State Religion Be?

[Killer Hawk]

I believe that a Protestant Christianity must take a part of the govenment as it was before the 60s,when the evils of secular humanism began destroying America.Pat Robertson and most religious leaders like John Hagee,Jame Dopson,Fred Phelps agree that America must to return to her Biblical stractures of law.

[Archangel]

I believe that a Protestant Christianity must take a part of the govenment as it was before the 60s,when the evils of secular humanism began destroying America.Pat Robertson and most religious leaders like John Hagee,Jame Dopson,Fred Phelps agree that America must to return to her Biblical stractures of law.

Hi Hawk, my friend, you concern me greatly with posts like this on a number of levels. One being that our founding fathers designed our Government with freedom "of" or freedom "from" religion as equally faithful rights for all people. The last thing we as believers want is a state sanctioned religion because then the Government will be empowered with the ability to define that religion. And the first thing they would do is water it down to such an extent that God will be erased completely from it. We must defend the unbelievers right to reject God in whatever form they choose.

Also, for you to even mention Fred Phelps in the same sentence with the other men you referred to makes my skin crawl. Remember that homosexuals are in rebellion against Gods laws and His grace in no different a way than an adulterer, a rapist, a racist or an alcoholic. Each and every person alive is guilty of their own predominant sin which separates us from Gods perfection and holiness.

We all must take hold of and receive His grace which comes through Christ who is perfect and the unblemished lamb of God. We are to hate the sin, but love the sinner as we correct them with Gods truth, not our version of it. Fred Phelps is a hatemonger who condemns people by spreading hatred and self righteous judgments which he is in no position to make.

His hateful condemnation of homosexuals is not offered in the spirit of love which Jesus died to offer us. Homosexuals can be saved just as any other sinner can be saved if they repent of their sins against God. To condemn them with such anger as if they're hopelessly lost sinners isn't fair to them, the Lords love for them or the Gospel of salvation He came and died to give to us.

I must also add that John Hagee and James Dobson would strongly resent being referred to in the same sentence with Fred Phelps. I appreciate your enthusiasm for what is right, but you must find the empathy within you which God has for all of us as sinners in need of His Holy Spirit which we are to reflect by our actions. Please consider softening your tone and approaching these sinners with more of a Christ like attitude of love and compassion. I say this in love, not to judge or condemn you brother.

[Killer Hawk]

Hi Hawk, my friend, you concern me greatly with posts like this on a number of levels. One being that our founding fathers designed our Government with freedom "of" or freedom "from" religion as equally faithful rights for all people. The last thing we as believers want is a state sanctioned religion because then the Government will be empowered with the ability to define that religion. And the first thing they would do is water it down to such an extent that God will be erased completely from it. We must defend the unbelievers right to reject God in whatever form they choose.

Also, for you to even mention Fred Phelps in the same sentence with the other men you referred to makes my skin crawl. Remember that homosexuals are in rebellion against Gods laws and His grace in no different a way than an adulterer, a rapist, a racist or an alcoholic. Each and every person alive is guilty of their own predominant sin which separates us from Gods perfection and holiness.

We all must take hold of and receive His grace which comes through Christ who is perfect and the unblemished lamb of God. We are to hate the sin, but love the sinner as we correct them with Gods truth, not our version of it. Fred Phelps is a hatemonger who condemns people by spreading hatred and self righteous judgments which he is in no position to make.

His hateful condemnation of homosexuals is not offered in the spirit of love which Jesus died to offer us. Homosexuals can be saved just as any other sinner can be saved if they repent of their sins against God. To condemn them with such anger as if they're hopelessly lost sinners isn't fair to them, the Lords love for them or the Gospel of salvation He came and died to give to us.

I must also add that John Hagee and James Dobson would strongly resent being referred to in the same sentence with Fred Phelps. I appreciate your enthusiasm for what is right, but you must find the empathy within you which God has for all of us as sinners in need of His Holy Spirit which we are to reflect by our actions. Please consider softening your tone and approaching these sinners with more of a Christ like attitude of love and compassion. I say this in love, not to judge or condemn you brother.

I do respect your statement.I know that God does forgive any sinner who repents whether drunkard,racist,sodomite,etc.Christ died for sinners,so those who believe in Him and repent of their wicked sins will be saved.

[snakespit]

Hi Hawk, my friend, you concern me greatly with posts like this on a number of levels.

Funny, you concern me at times too, but Hawk makes you seem reasonable.

[CUNxTime]

Where is the choice for None? JC! Ok, if I have to pick one, it would be Satanism...He's the only one that seems to be down in the trenches with us. OH, or how about the giant spaghetti god of Varnon? Or me, we could all worship ME! At least I exist!

[foundit66]

Recently I've heard lots of comments from those of a christian persuasion that the United States of America is founded on christian principles.
That made me wonder just which christian principles they were talking about, considering the wide variety of self-identified christians.

In reading the first posts, I am amused that I have seen no answer to this question.
I have asked myself, and repeatedly it's a pointless question cause nobody can answer.

If our country / government are truly "founded on Christian principles", then can somebody explain WHAT CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES exist that are found in our government???

You need to read it and the Bill of Rights and see how many times God is mentioned........

Oh. The irony.
I invite people to review the Bill of Rights.
United States Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No mention of God.

Review the rest of the Amendments if you like.
No mention of God.

Review the ENTIRE CONSTITUTION. At the end, when they give the DATE of the Constitution, "God" is referenced to the same degree that God is referenced when somebody says this is the year 2009 A.D.

Over and over again, I see people proclaim our nation/government is founded on Christian principles.
But when challenged to substantiate, the question of WHICH supposed principles are there cannot be answered.
Like VoR demonstrates here, the claim is repeated based on false assumptions, presumably because they are echoing the false claims of what they were taught but never questioned...

[Ethmi]

I know this thread is kind of old, but according to the First Amendment of the US Constitution, there should be no state religion.

[CUNxTime]

Thank God for that

[PoliticalJunkie]

Its called seperation of church and state, therefore to be American a true American, while still maintaining your own personal faith you would never seek to impose your faith on others

[Archangel]

Its called seperation of church and state, therefore to be American a true American, while still maintaining your own personal faith you would never seek to impose your faith on others

Amen and amen PJ, being an american means one is free to worship any God of his/her choice, or to worship no God at all. It was the intent of the founders that the Government never impose a state religion on the people which is what they fled from in England.

Unfortunately, the atheists will pervert and reinterpret that truth to mean that God has no place in the public psyche at all. They intend to erase Him from ever being mentioned or acknowledged as our creator and God. That goes against everything the founders stood for.

Back in the 1800s when the schools in the US were growing faster than text books could be supplied, CONGRESS had 10,000 BIBLES printed up and distributed to the public schools so the students would have books to learn from. Does that sound like they feared invoking God in a public forum or setting? Heaven forbid. But just last week, a school principle was arrested for saying grace at a school luncheon. Our founders are turning over in their graves as I write this post.

And one more thing which needs to be pointed out. The poll at the start of this thread is offensive in that it has no category in response to the question for "NONE", which would have been my choice. As it is I couldn't vote in that poll as it stands.

[Penfold]

I know primitive cultures all have foundation myths, but the reality is that the majority of the passengers on the Mayflower had no connection whatsoever to the whackjobs from Scroby, and were economic migrants.

[QuackAttack1887]

I agree 100% with politicaljunkie. There was seperation of church and state for a reason.

[Ethmi]

Arch, I'm not concerned about God being taken from public schools. As long as there are tests, there will be prayer.