Wow this thread looks interesting.

I'm a lady and I wanna go on record and say that I don't believe the transvaginal ultrasound is anywhere near similar to rape to justify the outrage and upsetitude going on about it. It's invasive but then again so is the abortion itself unless it's medically induced. If you've gotta have the fetus surgically removed then you're really gonna learn about invasive and uncomfortable procedures.

I also know some women who have unfortunately suffered real accounts of rape at the hands of brutal men and they have told me that they think all of this "this procedure is rape" hype is nothing but nonsense and a lot of crying wolf. These are the women who've been molested and abused by their fathers, brothers, uncles and even grandfathers (ultra sick) and they don't agree with the accusations. They also say that anybody who calls rape with regard to the ultrasound doesn't know what real rape really is and should be ashamed of themselves.

Originally Posted by Tabbi

I'm a lady and I wanna go on record and say that I don't believe the transvaginal ultrasound is anywhere near similar to rape to justify the outrage and upsetitude going on about it. It's invasive but then again so is the abortion itself unless it's medically induced. If you've gotta have the fetus surgically removed then you're really gonna learn about invasive and uncomfortable procedures.

The difference being that if a woman chooses an abortion, she is choosing to have that in invasive procedure. There is no medical need or reason for them to be forced to have a transvaginal ultrasound.

Originally Posted by snakespit

The difference being that if a woman chooses an abortion, she is choosing to have that in invasive procedure. There is no medical need or reason for them to be forced to have a transvaginal ultrasound.

Neither rape or ' force' is involved. They are required to have the procedure before they can have the fetus terminated.Using the term forced is as emotively dishonest as using the term rape in describing the procedure and the reason behind the requirement for it

Originally Posted by snakespit

The difference being that if a woman chooses an abortion, she is choosing to have that in invasive procedure. There is no medical need or reason for them to be forced to have a transvaginal ultrasound.

They're also required to have an extensive pre-surgery consultation with the doctor telling that what's going to be happening. They don't get a choice in that either, no consultation no abortion. Is the consultation a form of rape too?

Originally Posted by Tabbi

They're also required to have an extensive pre-surgery consultation with the doctor telling that what's going to be happening. They don't get a choice in that either, no consultation no abortion. Is the consultation a form of rape too?

A consultation regarding specifics of a procedure ensures informed consent. Look it up if you are unfamiliar with the term and get back to me.

Originally Posted by gansao

Neither rape or ' force' is involved. They are required to have the procedure before they can have the fetus terminated.Using the term forced is as emotively dishonest as using the term rape in describing the procedure and the reason behind the requirement for it

What is the "reason behind the requirement for it"? I'm sure it's some great medical reason, right? Enlighten me.

Originally Posted by snakespit

What is the "reason behind the requirement for it"? I'm sure it's some great medical reason, right? Enlighten me.

So if there is no medical reason pertaining to the woman it must be ' forced'?
Are you conceding that it is not forced because you seem to changing the subject?

Talking of changing the subject..you do realise that there need not always be a ' medical' reason for a request for an abortion dont you?

Point goes to Gansao on that matter. A change in procedure doesn't have to be medically relevant or fit a specific reason for it to be justified in nature. Even if there's no medical reason to explain performing one procedure but not another that still doesn't make it rape.

No matter how many times you claim something is rape that's not enough to make it qualify as rape. And those that have suffered rape at the hands of their fathers or uncles aren't going to have any sympathy for you when you falsely cry rape. They don't take too kindly to you mocking them and what they went through.

Originally Posted by gansao

Since when was access to abortion a constitutional right?

Since when wasn't it?

Originally Posted by simone

Since when wasn't it?

It never was.Didnt you know?

Originally Posted by gansao

So if there is no medical reason pertaining to the woman it must be ' forced'?
Are you conceding that it is not forced because you seem to changing the subject?

Talking of changing the subject..you do realise that there need not always be a ' medical' reason for a request for an abortion dont you?

No, it is still forced. Requiring someone to do something that is non-essential as an absolute condition is forcing someone to do something.

Not changing the subject, expanding the debate to the part that I feel is actually important.

So again...what is the reason behind the requirement?

Originally Posted by gansao

It never was.Didnt you know?

Absolutely nothing at all was said about abortion in the Constitution of the United States so nothing at all can be derived from the U.S. Constitution in regard to abortion.

Originally Posted by snakespit

No, it is still forced. Requiring someone to do something that is non-essential as an absolute condition is forcing someone to do something.

Not changing the subject, expanding the debate to the part that I feel is actually important.

So again...what is the reason behind the requirement?

A requirement is not force. I am required to pay for my food ..that does not constitute force.
The reason for the requirement has nothing to do with the fact that it is not forced upon the woman..it is a requirement.
You can make a reason up if you want..it makes no difference whatever..

Many abortions are ' non essential' to change the subject once again.

Originally Posted by Tabbi

Point goes to Gansao on that matter. A change in procedure doesn't have to be medically relevant or fit a specific reason for it to be justified in nature. Even if there's no medical reason to explain performing one procedure but not another that still doesn't make it rape.

What I am asking is how do you justify it if there is no legitimate reason for it. Thus far I have yet to get an answer on that. Using your justification, we could argue a law requiring people to get a rectal exam before they have an appendectomy.

No matter how many times you claim something is rape that's not enough to make it qualify as rape. And those that have suffered rape at the hands of their fathers or uncles aren't going to have any sympathy for you when you falsely cry rape. They don't take too kindly to you mocking them and what they went through.

In case you are incapable of going back and reading page 2:

Originally Posted by snakespit, 3/30/12

I think it's just republican lawmakers trying to be douchebags, and they're doing a fine job of it. They are simply trying to make the whole process that much more uncomfortable. I wouldn't call it rape, but I would call it a gross overstep of political power to mandate an unnecessary and highly invasive medical procedure simply because they don't agree with the choice a woman has made. Again, I would not go so far as to call it rape, but I can understand how a woman would feel violated by it

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Rape is a very serious thing, and I don't make lightly of it. If you note, I never claimed that requiring a TVU was rape.