Originally Posted by Steeeeve

I'd say you are in the minority on that one. If you don't think Carter was bad than no wonder you love Obama. Both failed as leaders but if that's your thing, as it seems to be for you, than go ahead and vote for it.

Who cares what Carter did.. As far as being a Failure as a Leader I think YOU are in the Minority on that... You'll see just how much of a Failure Obama is when he wins his second term.... Considering the cast of XXXXXX the GOP has running now It's almost a done deal for Obama...

Imagine that.. The " Failed Leader" winning his second term in the face of 9.1 % unemployment and the economy in the tank... I guess that will show who knows what they're talking about.

Originally Posted by MrWriteLA

I think it is naive to believe there are not congresspeople of both parties--but mostly Republicans by a wide margin--who simply will NOT give this president ANYTHING, even legislation they themselves would otherwise support, for the sole reason that he is black, good of the country be damned.

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Typical far left rant. Perhaps that misguided President of yours can offer up some programs that (1) don't raise taxes; (2) don't increase the deficit; and (3) actually balance the budget. Then reduce the national debt.

Now that would be a novel thing for you tax and spend turkeys to do.

Then you might get some support.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

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Typical far left rant. Perhaps that misguided President of yours can offer up some programs that (1) don't raise taxes; (2) don't increase the deficit; and (3) actually balance the budget. Then reduce the national debt.

And this is where The Right runs into a brick wall... You will never balance the budget or decrease the deficit without raising taxes... Remember, it was your boy Bush who gutted the Revenues and caused this economic meltdown... You never seem to learn....

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Good to know you resort to 3rd grade insults, booger face.

I only do that when I am talking to ez because he likes it like that.

So aside from that you have no quarrel with my argument?

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

These are GOP Ideas that they are now refusing to Support because Obama is sitting in the White house... I'd bet you if There was a Republican in the White House right now they would vote yes to any spending he wanted to do... But then again it's ok for a Republican to spend the country away... And you call me a bigot.,..lmao....

This is complete BS and you know it. Having one or two GOP members like an idea doesn't mean it's a GOP idea. Nevertheless, it's Obama's job to lead and it's 100% his fault that he hasn't gotten it done. Every President since Jimmy Carter could do it (and many before then as well) so I highly doubt it is Congress.

And yes, I call you a bigot because you are one.

Originally Posted by Accipiter

I only do that when I am talking to ez because he likes it like that.

So aside from that you have no quarrel with my argument?

I meant to put a laughing face on the end of that...it was my attempt at internet humor.

And I disagree that all the candidates are XXXXXX. For one, I think all of them are smart people (with maybe the exception of Santorum) in the general sense but not all of them are as smart as you need to be as a president. If we do "smart enough to be president" I'd eliminate Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman, and Perry. That leaves us with Romney, Paul, Gingrich, and Cain who probably have the minimum IQ required. From there you gotta look at whether or not any of those guys lack leadership skills. I think it is clear all have vast leadership experience (something Obama lacks badly). So we still got 4. At this point is who has good ideas and who has really bad ones. This has nothing to do with intelligence per-say. Obama is smart but clearly has no concept of reality and therefore has just awful ideas to go along with his lack of leadership. Cain has a 9-9-9 plan which attempts to solve a problem no one cares about. Romney thinks government is the answer; just not the Obama government. Gingrich is a diehard politician which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the day. Ron Paul is rock hard consistent but has awful delivery of his message (which is already one that is hard to shallow).

In my three part test Obama failed at step 2. At least four republicans get to step 3. I honestly think Paul is the only one with ideas that would actually bring the country back around in the long-term (while screwing us in the short-term).

So that's the long answer

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

As far as being a Failure as a Leader I think YOU are in the Minority on that.

Wrong again.

Obama Leadership Image Takes a Hit, GOP Ratings Decline | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Strong Leader: 49%
BBC News - Is President Obama a good leader?

Obama Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports
Approval Rating: 43-46% among likely voters

You'll see just how much of a Failure Obama is when he wins his second term.... Considering the cast of XXXXXX the GOP has running now It's almost a done deal for Obama...

He very well may but that doesn't make him any more of a good leader.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

This is complete BS and you know it. Having one or two GOP members like an idea doesn't mean it's a GOP idea. Nevertheless, it's Obama's job to lead and it's 100% his fault that he hasn't gotten it done. Every President since Jimmy Carter could do it (and many before then as well) so I highly doubt it is Congress.

And yes, I call you a bigot because you are one.

Just showing your true ignorance ... You know as well as I do that This has nothing to do with Obama's leadership ability. The GOP will not work with him because they think they will defeat him, Congress has control of Spending.. without them No President can do what is necessary.

If speaking the truth about a certain political party is what you consider being a bigot then by all means I'll accept the title with honor. At least I'm not ignorant of reality like you seem to be. Take a look in the mirror dude and you'll see another bigot.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Wrong again.
Obama Leadership Image Takes a Hit, GOP Ratings Decline | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Strong Leader: 49%
BBC News - Is President Obama a good leader?

Hmmm Let's see...
Seventy-six percent of Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Wednesday said Obama is a strong and decisive leader.
He also gets higher marks than Bush did in 2001 on honesty, values, issues, management abilities and compassion.

Poll: Obama leadership rates high as Bush's after 9/11 - CNN.com

I can find Opinion Pieces and Polls that show just the opposite..

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Obama Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports
Approval Rating: 43-46% among likely voters

HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

History News Network

Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent
Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

I should also remind you that Reagan and Clinton both had similar Low Approval ratings going into their second terms , Reagan has it worse than Obama, coming off a recession that lasted 3 years and unemployment around 11% yet he still won his second term.. Clinton had a similar journey... The parallels are uncanny....

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

He very well may but that doesn't make him any more of a good leader.

Questioning the mans Leadership ability is nothing more than Extreme right wing Rhetoric Spewed by extreme right bigots who want nothing more than to see him fail. His handling of Foreign Affairs has been nothing short of Brilliant, he got Bin Laden, as well as several other Extreme terrorists who plotted against the U.S. and you right wingers Don't even have the decency to give him Credit for making the U.S. a safer place to be. He has put forth Ideas to turn this economy around but As I think you really know he will never get anything passed because it's in the GOP's best interest to assure he gets nothing passed. Your failure to acknowledge it only reflects your bigotry.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

This has nothing to do with Obama's leadership ability. The GOP will not work with him because they think they will defeat him

Yet congress has worked with other presidents of an opposing party. The one who couldn't do it? Jimmy Carter...who was a bad leader. Like I said, is it more reasonable for 435 people to just stop because they hate a guy or is it because ONE guy can't lead. At some point you gotta trust the odds.

If speaking the truth about a certain political party is what you consider being a bigot then by all means I'll accept the title with honor. ...Take a look in the mirror dude and you'll see another bigot.

Look in the mirror and I'll see another guy who is "speaking the truth about a certain political party"? Glad you think I'm truthful.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

Hmmm Let's see...
Seventy-six percent of Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Wednesday said Obama is a strong and decisive leader.
He also gets higher marks than Bush did in 2001 on honesty, values, issues, management abilities and compassion.

Poll: Obama leadership rates high as Bush's after 9/11 - CNN.com

I can find Opinion Pieces and Polls that show just the opposite..

Another epic fail on your part. Released Wednesday? Yeah, December 31, 2008. By the way, this is before he was sworn in.

The link I gave you was from August 2011.

Good grief, it's always the same with you...lies and more lies.

Reagan has it worse than Obama, coming off a recession that lasted 3 years and unemployment around 11% yet he still won his second term.

Actually at this point in Reagan's presidency it was 8.5%....a decline of 2% from the prior year. It declined to 7.2% prior to the election in 1984. You could also look at it as a 1% increase since he was sworn in. For Obama it has .7% from 2 years ago and increased 1.3% since he was sworn in.

There is even less similarity to Clinton.

Questioning the mans Leadership ability is nothing more than Extreme right wing Rhetoric Spewed by extreme right bigots who want nothing more than to see him fail.

No, it's reality. His record proves it. If you can't handle Congress you have no business being President. Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, and Reagan all did it. Clinton played congress like a fiddle. Obama failed.

His handling of Foreign Affairs has been nothing short of Brilliant, he got Bin Laden, as well as several other Extreme terrorists who plotted against the U.S. and you right wingers Don't even have the decency to give him Credit for making the U.S. a safer place to be.

I'll give Obama credit for having the balls to call the attack on Bin-Laden. I wouldn't give him credit for finding him since that was clearly the intelligence community which had been working on this for several years.

His attack on a US citizen = failure. His involvement with Libya = failure (his biggest failure). Promise to close GITMO = failure. End Iraq war within 16 months = Debatable...

He has put forth Ideas to turn this economy around but As I think you really know he will never get anything passed because it's in the GOP's best interest to assure he gets nothing passed.

Obviously he can't pass everything but he's past nothing once congress realized he can't lead. After the stimulus bill it was obviously Obama was an empty suit and that completely destroys your credibility as a leader. It's like being a teacher...if you show weakness the students will walk all over you and you can't get them back. It's not the students..it's that you are a bad teacher. In any management position it works the same way. If I led my staff like Obama's doing than they'd call in sick every day and never get a damn thing done. Who gets the blame? ME! And I should. I'm responsible for these guys just like Obama is responsible for being a president. The buck stops with him...he should man up and act like it.

Smart guy, bad leader = bad president.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Another epic fail on your part. Released Wednesday? Yeah, December 31, 2008. By the way, this is before he was sworn in.
The link I gave you was from August 2011.
Good grief, it's always the same with you...lies and more lies.

lol.. same old BS from you.. It doesn't matter what the date is, the point is if you look hard enough you can find pretty much anything you want on google. So tell me , How is that a Lie?.. I didn't write the article.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Actually at this point in Reagan's presidency it was 8.5%....a decline of 2% from the prior year. It declined to 7.2% prior to the election in 1984. You could also look at it as a 1% increase since he was sworn in. For Obama it has .7% from 2 years ago and increased 1.3% since he was sworn in.

There is even less similarity to Clinton.

And actually You would be wrong . Unemployment at one point in 1983 reached 11 %. It declined to around 7 % prior to the election of 84, however prior to the election of 84 Reagan's approval rating was lower in the year before than Obama's is now. You do know we're over a year away from the Election... I'd say the Parallel is uncanny.... Obama is rising in Approval now and will be re-elected , just like Reagan and Clinton.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

No, it's reality. His record proves it. If you can't handle Congress you have no business being President. Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, and Reagan all did it. Clinton played congress like a fiddle. Obama failed.

They didn't face the Economic Terrorist organization who refused to do their jobs. And Bush mostly had a Republican House and Senate when he got most of his failed policies passed.. he didn't fair much better.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

I'll give Obama credit for having the balls to call the attack on Bin-Laden. I wouldn't give him credit for finding him since that was clearly the intelligence community which had been working on this for several years.

Actually they knew where he was at way back in 2007 but Bush didn't have the Guts to make the call to go into Pakistan to get him. One of Bush's many failures as a leader....

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

His attack on a US citizen = failure. His involvement with Libya = failure (his biggest failure). Promise to close GITMO = failure. End Iraq war within 16 months = Debatable...

lmao.. you are truly pathetic. His attack on a U.S> Citizen, More Right wing extremist rhetoric. Anwar al-Awlaki was no U.S> Citizen, he was a Sworn enemy guilty of Treason.

Again, unfounded. We only spent 1 billion to take down Gaddafi vs. 1 Trillion to take down Suddam Hussein. Not a single American Life was lost... need I say more...

He issued an Executive order to close GITMO just as he promised to do. The Congress stood in his way for fear of bringing known Terrorists into the U.S. Borders. He didn't break his Promise.

The End of the War in Iraq was determined by the Bush Administration before he left office. The Announcement was made last week by Obama to carry out that plan.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Obviously he can't pass everything but he's past nothing once congress realized he can't lead. After the stimulus bill it was obviously Obama was an empty suit and that completely destroys your credibility as a leader. It's like being a teacher...if you show weakness the students will walk all over you and you can't get them back. It's not the students..it's that you are a bad teacher. In any management position it works the same way. If I led my staff like Obama's doing than they'd call in sick every day and never get a damn thing done. Who gets the blame? ME! And I should. I'm responsible for these guys just like Obama is responsible for being a president. The buck stops with him...he should man up and act like it.

The oly thing I have against Obama is his record on caving to the GOP on issues that he didn't need to, but I also see that it was in fact Obama that tried to reach a compromise with Congress. No President in our history has faced this much opposition to implementing his policies, NONE. The things he has managed to do so far have worked to some extent, whether you admit it or not, you can't change the facts.

The Stimulus Bill wasn't enough, but it did stop the bleeding and started us on a path of slow recovery. We have had Growth, it's just not enough .

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Smart guy, bad leader = bad president.

Your Opinion. I personally would trust Obama to lead before I would trust Anyone currently running against him. You have the choice to make.. You can go with The Ditsy Brunette who knows nothing about leading a Nation, or maybe the Texan with the big mouth and bad Ideas, or the Millionaire flip-flopping Aristocrat, Or the Pizza Guy who would rather sell books than Lead... Or maybe even the Old Geezer with the fake eyebrows who wants to go back to the stone ages.... And then there's old Newt.. lol.. yeah I can see him in the White house... with his First Lady and his two Mistresses....

Got the point yet.. Obama is your man.. like it or not..lmao..

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

lol.. same old BS from you.. It doesn't matter what the date is, the point is if you look hard enough you can find pretty much anything you want on google. So tell me , How is that a Lie?.. I didn't write the article.

Because it makes you look like an idiot. Why would you quote something that's almost 3 years old? You think people can't change their minds? As of August a majority feel Obama is NOT an effective leader. You were wrong to say I was "in the minority" on that.

Yet another example where I prove you wrong and you can never admit it. One of the many characteristics of a bigot.

And actually You would be wrong . Unemployment at one point in 1983 reached 11 %.

Here is the unemployment for each month in 1983

1983 10.4 10.4 10.3 10.2 10.1 10.1 9.4 9.5 9.2 8.8 8.5 8.3

You do know we're over a year away from the Election... I'd say the Parallel is uncanny

Other than the fact that Reagan had a sharp decline in unemployment at by this time and Obama has. Obama's approval rating has NOT improved by the way (see link in other post). The only similarity you show is the approval rating.

They didn't face the Economic Terrorist organization who refused to do their jobs.

If you are referring to the tea party members, they are doing their jobs. They said exactly what they would do and they are doing it. Props to them. It is the president that is failing.

Actually they knew where he was at way back in 2007 but Bush didn't have the Guts to make the call to go into Pakistan to get him.

I hadn't heard this one. Link? Are you referring to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/wo...agewanted=1&hp

lmao.. you are truly pathetic. His attack on a U.S> Citizen, More Right wing extremist rhetoric. Anwar al-Awlaki was no U.S> Citizen, he was a Sworn enemy guilty of Treason.

Yeah, he was a US Citizen. And no, he was never found guilty of Treason. It sets a bad precedent when we feel we can kill citizens without trial.

Again, unfounded. We only spent 1 billion to take down Gaddafi vs. 1 Trillion to take down Suddam Hussein. Not a single American Life was lost... need I say more...

And we had to be in Libya why again? Sounds like a billion wasted to me.

He issued an Executive order to close GITMO just as he promised to do. The Congress stood in his way for fear of bringing known Terrorists into the U.S. Borders. He didn't break his Promise.

Is GITMO open yes or no? Yeah, that's what I thought.

The oly thing I have against Obama is his record on caving to the GOP on issues that he didn't need to

AKA being a bad leader.

No President in our history has faced this much opposition to implementing his policies, NONE.

Other than all of them...

He is a bad leader so he can't get people to agree. His fault.

The Stimulus Bill wasn't enough, but it did stop the bleeding and started us on a path of slow recovery. We have had Growth, it's just not enough .

Stop the bleeding? The stimulus bill didn't do a damn thing. In some instances it delayed the inevitable but that's about it.

Truth is, Obama is a bad leader even if you can't admit it. Can't get things passed, can't get congress to agree. He has failed. The buck stops with him...always.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Because it makes you look like an idiot. Why would you quote something that's almost 3 years old? You think people can't change their minds? As of August a majority feel Obama is NOT an effective leader. You were wrong to say I was "in the minority" on that.

Yet another example where I prove you wrong and you can never admit it. One of the many characteristics of a bigot.

No this is yet another example of you thinking you proved something wrong when in fact you have not.. You sure love the word Bigot, I would think you would actually learn what it means.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Here is the unemployment for each month in 1983
1983 10.4 10.4 10.3 10.2 10.1 10.1 9.4 9.5 9.2 8.8 8.5 8.3

lol.. thanks for proving my point. So I was off a few points, but Unemployment except for the last three months was higher than our current rate under Obama..

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Other than the fact that Reagan had a sharp decline in unemployment at by this time and Obama has. Obama's approval rating has NOT improved by the way (see link in other post). The only similarity you show is the approval rating.

Obama's Approval rating has gone up 6 points in the last month.. watch the news or read a paper sometime.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

If you are referring to the tea party members, they are doing their jobs. They said exactly what they would do and they are doing it. Props to them. It is the president that is failing.

No Congress is elected to go to Washington and represent the people who elected them.. Currently about 68 % of Americans support the Jobs Bill, 65% of Americans think Taxes should be a part of any deal, your Teabaggers are voting against the people who put them there.. they are not doing their jobs .

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

I hadn't heard this one. Link? Are you referring to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/wo...agewanted=1&hp

No I'm referring to an Interview where a reporter named Christian Omanpour Stated point blank that Bin Laden was in a Compound in Pakistan... Bush knew where he was, just didn't have the Leadership ability to go and get him.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Yeah, he was a US Citizen. And no, he was never found guilty of Treason. It sets a bad precedent when we feel we can kill citizens without trial.

So you support a terrorist simply because it was Obama who made the decision to kill him. My money says if it was Bush or a Repug who made the call you'd be shouting praise ... now that is a bigot.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

And we had to be in Libya why again? Sounds like a billion wasted to me.

Doing what Obama does best.. Leading.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Is GITMO open yes or no? Yeah, that's what I thought.

yeah it's still open , but not because Obama broke a Promise....

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

AKA being a bad leader.

You don't strike me as someone who would know what a Good Leader is or isn't.. so I won't be taking your word on that...

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Other than all of them...

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

He is a bad leader so he can't get people to agree. His fault.

Says you and a few right wing radicals who wouldn't know a leader if you met one.

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Stop the bleeding? The stimulus bill didn't do a damn thing. In some instances it delayed the inevitable but that's about it.

Yeah that's why Unemployment suddenly stalled at 9.1 % and has not gone up .. Rather than bleeding 500,000 jobs a month like we were doing under Bush... Tell the CBO the Stimulus did nothing.. They released the report proving you wrong....

Originally Posted by Steeeeve

Truth is, Obama is a bad leader even if you can't admit it. Can't get things passed, can't get congress to agree. He has failed. The buck stops with him...always.

Obama is not Truman.. so you can drop the slogan .. Fact is you don't know what You're talking about. You're so blinded by the brain dead ideology of the economic terrorist association aka the Teabaggers that you would believe any stupid Rhetoric that comes from the right.