Originally Posted by canadianman77

Have you looked back and found it yet, or should i point it out to you again?

I'm sorry: Did you make an invisible post?

Originally Posted by toby

I'm sorry: Did you make an invisible post?

You still havent found the post where i answered your question?

Originally Posted by canadianman77

You still havent found the post where i answered your question?

If you have nothing material to say, can we just conclude this thing?

Originally Posted by toby

If you have nothing material to say, can we just conclude this thing?

Y dont u just answer my question?

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Y dont u just answer my question?

Why don't you just answer questions posed in #78, #83, and #88?

Originally Posted by toby

Why do you believe that? Stalin did purge and he did stay in power. I don’t see given that criterion (staying in power) how he could have been more wise. You have no way of knowing what would have resulted from another course of action. I do not see how you can prefer uncertainty to success.

I believe that he purged because he was an evil man, and stayed in power because he eliminated anyone who was openly opposed to him, and anyone else who was opposed had to stay silent, for fear of death. And thats a real sucess, ruling a body of people who are either supportive of a mass murderer, or too spineless to oppose you. Talk about changing the gene pool for the worse.

Originally Posted by toby

Okay. I find this quite confusing. Presumably there were no other conscious beings; no atoms in existence to be concerned about.



Prior to creation there appears to be no wisdom of the creation (since it didn’t exist). Are you saying that god used non-existent wisdom to create the creation? Or are you saying that some rule (something pertinent) existed prior to the creation itself? If so, what was it?

You didn’t answer many of the questions put to you. Please go back and answer the questions put in #78. If you don’t want to defend your position, please just concede.

Prior to creation, there was god. God is ultimatley wise. His wisdom was never non existent. "With wisdom, god created the heavens, and the earth". I think a lot of rules existed prior to existence, and the rules were whatever the big guy wanted them to be.

Originally Posted by toby

You didn’t answer the questions in #78. If you’re not up to it, please concede.

What wisdom did god use? Give me an example. I didn’t think anything existed before the creation. Are you implying that god was bound by something?

My position? I’m still trying to figure out what is meant by “wisdom”. It seemed that you were saying the purges were wise, then they weren’t, then maybe they were, then they obviously weren’t, then they were, but not ultimately. I’m still trying to have you explain how they weren’t ultimately wise. If you have no answer, please just admit that you have no answer.

God used his wisdom. I never said that stalins purges werent wise. Your putting words in my mouth again. I said they werent ultimatley wise. And if you dont have your own definition of wisdom, then look it up. Theres this book out there, you may have heard of it, its called the dictionary. Mayabe you can build on the definition of wisdom that is in there. And as for nothing existing before creation, I'm assuming that you mean before the big bang, because it seems that you dont believe in creation, god existed before the creation of our universe. He has always existed, he exists now, and he will exist after the end of our universe.

If you arent capible of spotting the answers to questions that i give (ex. the wisdom of stalins purges) then its kind of hard to discuss a topic with you toby.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Prior to creation, there was god. God is ultimatley wise. His wisdom was never non existent. "With wisdom, god created the heavens, and the earth". I think a lot of rules existed prior to existence, and the rules were whatever the big guy wanted them to be.

Saying god is wise is meaningless. I asked for a specific example of wisdom. If wisdom pertains to things that exist (per your definition), then what existed? If there was something to be wise about, you seem to be indicating that god was bound by something. What was there to be wise about? If you can't answer the question, please just admit that you have no idea what you talking about.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

God used his wisdom.

And what wisdom was that? Give me an example or just admit that you have no way of knowing any such thing. Were you there? How do you know what god used or even if there is a god?

Originally Posted by canadianman77

…I never said that stalins purges werent wise. Your putting words in my mouth again.

In #55, you said:

Originally Posted by canadianman77

…obviously it wasnt wise to purge all those people.

You seem to be quite confused. Of course, I can’t really blame you; your entries have been quite haphazard. I’m not surprised that you can’t follow your own ramblings.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

I said they werent ultimatley wise.

Yes, you’ve said a lot of things. I’m still looking for an answer to justify that they weren’t ultimately wise (why prefer the unknown to success?). If you don’t have an answer, please just admit that you don’t.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

And if you dont have your own definition of wisdom, then look it up. Theres this book out there, you may have heard of it, its called the dictionary. Mayabe you can build on the definition of wisdom that is in there. And as for nothing existing before creation, I'm assuming that you mean before the big bang,…

No. You hypothesized that god created this (and I have yet to see any meaningful proof of this). And as to “nothing”, I mean nothing material. If no material existed and thus had no properties, what was there for god to be wise about with respect to the material universe? I’m still looking for an example of his wisdom. I think you’re just spouting nonsense. You weren’t there, so you have no idea what he did or how he did it. Please provide examples of his wisdom or just admit that you don’t know what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

…because it seems that you dont believe in creation,
god existed before the creation of our universe. He has always existed, he exists now, and he will exist after the end of our universe.

How do you know god exists? I thought it was a matter of faith. Why say “he existed” as opposed to “I believe he existed”? You seem to be overstating your position. If god is merely your belief, please leave him out of the discussion of whether Stalin’s purges were wise. So, why were Stalin’s purges not ultimately wise?

Originally Posted by canadianman77

If you arent capible of spotting the answers to questions that i give (ex. the wisdom of stalins purges) then its kind of hard to discuss a topic with you toby.

Any conclusion is valid following a vacuous premise. What's your point?

Originally Posted by toby

And what wisdom was that? Give me an example or just admit that you have no way of knowing any such thing. Were you there? How do you know what god used or even if there is a god?


In #55, you said:

You seem to be quite confused. Of course, I can’t really blame you; your entries have been quite haphazard. I’m not surprised that you can’t follow your own ramblings.


Yes, you’ve said a lot of things. I’m still looking for an answer to justify that they weren’t ultimately wise (why prefer the unknown to success?). If you don’t have an answer, please just admit that you don’t.


No. You hypothesized that god created this (and I have yet to see any meaningful proof of this). And as to “nothing”, I mean nothing material. If no material existed and thus had no properties, what was there for god to be wise about with respect to the material universe? I’m still looking for an example of his wisdom. I think you’re just spouting nonsense. You weren’t there, so you have no idea what he did or how he did it. Please provide examples of his wisdom or just admit that you don’t know what you are talking about.


How do you know god exists? I thought it was a matter of faith. Why say “he existed” as opposed to “I believe he existed”? You seem to be overstating your position. If god is merely your belief, please leave him out of the discussion of whether Stalin’s purges were wise. So, why were Stalin’s purges not ultimately wise?

How do you know if god exists or not? Can you prove that there isnt a god? If not, then please quit asking me to concede that there is no god. Do u think stalins purges were wise? Do you perfer a minimal amount of sucess to the unknown? If you owned a trailer in a trailer park, and had a reasonable chance to own your dream house if you sold your trailer, would you stick with your trailer, or try for what you always wanted? Can you not figure out what my definition of wisdom has to do with everything around you and even what you are made of? Did I not give you an answer to weather or not the purges were ultimatley wise? Do u only see the answers that best suit your views?Did I not tell you that gods wisdom is what he used to form the universe? Why cant you see examples of gods wisdom in everyday matter, and the processes that govern matter? Uhat are your views on the wisdom of stalins purges? How do you know stalins purges existed?

Originally Posted by canadianman77

How do you know if god exists or not? Can you prove that there isnt a god?

If you want to challenge anything that I say, please provide a quote.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

If not, then please quit asking me to concede that there is no god.

Where did I ask that? Please provide a quote.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Do u think stalins purges were wise?

I’ve already answered this question:
I’m still trying to figure out what is meant by “wisdom”. It seemed that you were saying the purges were wise, then they weren’t, then maybe they were, then they obviously weren’t, then they were, but not ultimately. I’m still trying to have you explain how they weren’t ultimately wise. If you have no answer, please just admit that you have no answer.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Do you perfer a minimal amount of sucess to the unknown? If you owned a trailer in a trailer park, and had a reasonable chance to own your dream house if you sold your trailer, would you stick with your trailer, or try for what you always wanted?

Stalin had perfect success. He did maintain power. That’s the only criterion of interest.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Can you not figure out what my definition of wisdom has to do with everything around you and even what you are made of?

I’m sorry: Your position on wisdom seems confused. You’ve taken almost every position there is on the topic (relating to Stalin’s purges being wise). Not surprisingly, you can’t keep up with what you’ve said.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Did I not give you an answer to weather or not the purges were ultimatley wise?

The question was not were the purges ultimately wise, but why were they not ultimately wise. Stalin was perfectly successful in maintaining power. I suggest that if you ever do attempt to answer any of my questions, that you provide a quote. You don’t even seem to know what the questions are. Please go back and answer all the questions (one at a time) in #78, #83, #88, and #102.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Do u only see the answers that best suit your views?

I don’t try to. If I failed to respond to one or more of your replies, please supply the relevant post number(s).

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Did I not tell you that gods wisdom is what he used to form the universe?

The question was: Specifically what wisdom did he use? Give me an example. How do you know he used wisdom (since you weren’t there)? Your statement that he used wisdom is unsupported. Support it or stop spouting it.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Why cant you see examples of gods wisdom in everyday matter, and the processes that govern matter?

I haven’t slurped that particular brew.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

Uhat are your views on the wisdom of stalins purges?

Please see above.

Originally Posted by canadianman77

How do you know stalins purges existed?

If you want to challenge something I’ve said, please provide a quote.