If you will remember, Turkey was massing troops near the border during the invasion. They are still there. That indicates to me that they are pretty damn serious.
Originally Posted by georged
I am all for that. Forcing peace is nothing mroe than prolonging the violence. Let them get their killing out of the way then they can move on. People kill other people. It is human nature. We have been doing it for tens of thousands of years. We form tribes, the kill each other. Kind of a hobby.
Democracy sounds good, but there are so many modern ME nations with sharply divided ethnic and tribal differences that I think it takes a very dominant government just to maintain civil order. Even before the Ottoman Empire was dismantled as war loot, it took an iron fist to govern in the ME. Saddam was an example of many ME leaders, past and present. I still can't believe we were and are that stupid with our foreign policy. As I've long advocated, write the check to pay for our mistake and get out. Let Iraq do what it needs to do and let the chips fall where they may.
This stupidity driven by ego is becoming very boring and increasingly costly.
As things presently stand, I would say the odds of a stable and peaceful Iraq are nil. Look at bosnia. We "stopped" the violence, and they have been killing each other ever since.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. —Samuel Adams