Originally Posted by Freedom

You can only laugh, and insult because those are covers for all you are willing to do: ignore.

If you haven't noticed I only ignore YOU.. Get your facts straight..

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

If you haven't noticed I only ignore YOU.. Get your facts straight..

Maybe I'm the only one who is foolish enough to treat you like someone who deserves honest answers, but no I've seen you do the exact same thing to others. You come in like a dive bomber, make your assertions, insult people, dismiss their statements and arguments as opinion; maybe drop some useless link or data that doesn't really support your position... and then poof, your avatar is there and posts keep coming out of it but as predictable as the sun rising you say nothing new and respond to no further arguments or evidence.

Even brutus was able to make you look idiotic with quotes from Jefferson that completely contradicted what you said not two posts before. You're the only one on this forum who is supporting his constant 'too stupid' chanting.

Xcaliber go easy on Freedom, he is a very sensitive boy.

Originally Posted by Freedom

Maybe I'm the only one who is foolish enough to treat you like someone who deserves honest answers, but no I've seen you do the exact same thing to others. You come in like a dive bomber, make your assertions, insult people, dismiss their statements and arguments as opinion; maybe drop some useless link or data that doesn't really support your position... and then poof, your avatar is there and posts keep coming out of it but as predictable as the sun rising you say nothing new and respond to no further arguments or evidence.

Even brutus was able to make you look idiotic with quotes from Jefferson that completely contradicted what you said not two posts before. You're the only one on this forum who is supporting his constant 'too stupid' chanting.

Keep lying to yourself, it only supports my opinion of you...

And for your information Brutus hasn't proven anything other than the fact that he can't comprehend truth. It's a Historical FACT that Jefferson was not a christian, or a conservative in the modern view of conservatism. Making up history or taking famous quotes out of context is not proof .. and you're ignorant to believe otherwise...

Let me know when you can actually give an honest answer and I might take you more serious... until then it's back to manual ignore for you....

Originally Posted by Accipiter

Xcaliber go easy on Freedom, he is a very sensitive boy.

Yes, we wouldn't want me to be whipped again

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

Let me know when you can actually give an honest answer and I might take you more serious... until then it's back to manual ignore for you....

You can't comprehend an honest answer, all the ones I have been giving you are wasted.

Originally Posted by Freedom

You can't comprehend an honest answer, all the ones I have been giving you are wasted.

Awwwww.......

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

Keep lying to yourself.... It's a Historical FACT that Jefferson was not a christian....

He said he was.

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

You're busted, carp breath.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

He said he was.

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

You're busted, carp breath.

No he didn't.. Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Christ.. read his book.. his own words.. THE JEFFERSON BIBLE... where he took out the myth and miracles and the supernatural aspect of Jebus...

You couldn't bust your way out of a wet sack...

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

No he didn't.. Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Christ.. read his book.. his own words.. THE JEFFERSON BIBLE... where he took out the myth and miracles and the supernatural aspect of Jebus...

He also said...

• "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
  
  
• "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. "
  
  
• "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites" –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.
  
  
• "Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
  
  
• "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."
  
  
• "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

Jefferson meant he was "a real Christian," in the sense of "a person who truly follows the moral precepts of a (non-divine, non-supernatural, historical) person called Jesus."

As opposed to pseudo-Christians who spend their time gleefully damning non-believers to "The Pit" and calling them "carp-breath" like a demented, very un-Christlike 3-year-old.

Originally Posted by MrWriteLA

He also said...

• "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
  
  
• "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. "
  
  
• "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites" –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.
  
  
• "Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
  
  
• "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."
  
  
• "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

Jefferson meant he was "a real Christian," in the sense of "a person who truly follows the moral precepts of a (non-divine, non-supernatural, historical) person called Jesus."

As opposed to pseudo-Christians who spend their time gleefully damning non-believers to "The Pit" and calling them "carp-breath" like a demented, very un-Christlike 3-year-old.

Just as a matter of interest can you provide a quote from Jefferson denying that Christ was divine?
There is no direct reference to it in the quotes provided( that I can see)

Originally Posted by gansao

Just as a matter of interest can you provide a quote from Jefferson denying that Christ was divine?
There is no direct reference to it in the quotes provided( that I can see)

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
-- Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11 1823

"The office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation is ever dangerous. Jesus had to walk on the perilous confines of reason and religion; and a step to right or left might place Him within the grasp of the priests of the superstition, a bloodthirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the Being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. They were constantly laying snares, too, to entangle Him in the web of the law. He was justifiable, therefore, in avoiding these by evasions, by sophisms, by misconstructions and misapplications of scraps of the prophets, and in defending Himself with these their own weapons, as sufficient, ad homines, at least. That Jesus did not mean to impose Himself on mankind as the Son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in the lore."
-- Thomas Jefferson's letter to William Short, August 4, 1820

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820

(in reference to the book of revelations.)
It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820


Thomas Jefferson quotes

And then there is this..

The Jefferson Bible

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
-- Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11 1823

"The office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation is ever dangerous. Jesus had to walk on the perilous confines of reason and religion; and a step to right or left might place Him within the grasp of the priests of the superstition, a bloodthirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the Being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. They were constantly laying snares, too, to entangle Him in the web of the law. He was justifiable, therefore, in avoiding these by evasions, by sophisms, by misconstructions and misapplications of scraps of the prophets, and in defending Himself with these their own weapons, as sufficient, ad homines, at least. That Jesus did not mean to impose Himself on mankind as the Son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in the lore."
-- Thomas Jefferson's letter to William Short, August 4, 1820

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820

(in reference to the book of revelations.)
It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820


Thomas Jefferson quotes

And then there is this..

The Jefferson Bible

Thank you Xcaliber.

From Jefferson's letter To Dr. Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803:

"To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other." [Boldface mine, italics Jefferson's.]