Originally Posted by gansao

You are not smarter, you just say you are lol!
When you XXX gets kicked you pretend to put the person that beat you up on ignore but do not.
You are an attention whore that chooses internet forums to project your prejudice and conceal your inferiority complex....little man syndrome.
You are a joke and you know it.

I smell your fear. Inferiority complex? Baby, after a month, you still don't know me. LOL

Originally Posted by Brutus

ok then, I suggest you read the entire conservative intellectual canon starting with Aristotle( he said it far better than I ever could) and then get back to us when you are ready for forum discussion, not cut and paste. See why we are positive the liberal will be slow?

I grew up with the Great Books of the Western World, of which one of those books were the writings of Aristotle.
List of liberal theorists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Aristotle (Athens, 384 BC - 322 BC) is revered among political theorists for his seminal work Politics. Though Aristotle never mentioned rights, and even supported slavery, he made invaluable contributions to liberal theory through his observations on different forms of government

I have no desire to discuss anything with you in particular. You're not here for discussion. You're here to promote conservative propaganda. Discussion is for intellectuals. I haven't found too many here.

Originally Posted by poet

I smell your fear. Inferiority complex? Baby, after a month, you still don't know me. LOL

I worked you out and humiliated you after your first couple of posts, remember?
Maybe its your Alzheimers kicking in

Originally Posted by gansao

I worked you out and humiliated you after your first couple of posts, remember?
Maybe its your Alzheimers kicking in

And delusion must be yours. There is no one here that can hold a candle.
I'm struggling to keep you off ignore, in hopes that you bring something worthwhile. Nothing so far.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

Yeah that's why MOST conservatives will vote Republican and MOST Liberals will vote Democrat. I know the difference between the terms, I have always called Republicans " Conservatives".. They gave themselves that name I didn't. When I'm talking about the Republican Party and the Idiotic Policies they put forth I simply use the word that best describes the Republican Party which just happens to be Conservative.

George W. Bush called himself a Conservative too and we know how ignorant he was. I'm not prejudice either, I call Democrats Liberals.. And they're just as ignorant so I'm not picking on any one in particular.

Well you are basically doing the same thing Brutus is doing which is abusing language to make a point. The term "conservative" is more like a adjective in that it describes the restraint of doing something while republican is morel like a noun in that it is a certain set of specific ideas (note I'm not saying this conservative is only an adjective and republican a noun). If you see it like that you will see why it is improper and confusing to use the term as you have. Madison's ideas on government were liberal in the context of his times as they were a departure from the norm but to believe in those know would be conservative as you restrain from changing our rooted past. Now, take the Patriot Act. This was a departure from the traditional rights most Americans enjoyed. This would be a liberal act by the Republican party. So smaller government probably is more conservative but lower taxes (and for that matter raising them) is necessarily a conservative move.

I suggest sticking to the actual meaning of the terms as to not mislead people.

I would suggest that restricting personal freedom is authoritarian, and is of itself neither conservative nor liberal. Hence why the Patriot Act was pretty much bipartisan.

Originally Posted by Jo Bennett

I would suggest that restricting personal freedom is authoritarian, and is of itself neither conservative nor liberal. Hence why the Patriot Act was pretty much bipartisan.

I'll agree with this, thanks for the correction.

Originally Posted by poet

And delusion must be yours. There is no one here that can hold a candle.
I'm struggling to keep you off ignore, in hopes that you bring something worthwhile. Nothing so far.

Just about everyone has cleaned your clock on here poet.
Your argument consists of...I am cleverer and more accomplished than you so I must be right...you have nothing else lol
You threaten everyone with ignore too..no one give a XXXX if you put them on ignore except you..

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

Yep, you nailed it .. we're in a recession, caused by Conservatives mostly.. 15 million unemployed, caused by conservatives,

actually all agree it was caused by liberal regulation at least according to the two greatest liberal and conservative economists and the two greatest neswpapers:

"First consider the once controversial view that the crisis was largely caused by the Fed's holding interest rates too low for too long after the 2001 recession. This view is now so widely held that the editorial pages of both the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal agree on its validity!"...John B. Taylor( arch conservative, author of the Taylor Rule)


" The Federal reserve having done so much to create the problems in which the economy is now mired, having mistakenly thought that even after the housing bubble burst the problems were contained, and having underestimated the severity of the crisis, now wants to make a contribution to preventing the economy from sinking into a Japanese Style malaise....... - "Joseph Stiglitz"

Originally Posted by gansao

Just about everyone has cleaned your clock on here poet.
Your argument consists of...I am cleverer and more accomplished than you so I must be right...you have nothing else lol
You threaten everyone with ignore too..no one give a XXXX if you put them on ignore except you..

all true but his other tactic is to cut and paste something a liberal wrote and then claim that somehow is proof that liberalism is superior.

Originally Posted by poet

Aristotle made invaluable contributions to liberal theory

you mean to classical liberal theory. Classical liberals supported the individual against centralized power. Classical liberalism became modern conservatism. Hayek, Von Mises and Friedman thought of themselves as classical liberals or modern conservatives . Sorry but now you know your ABC's too. And now you know why Aristotle is listed in the recent book, "10 Intellectuals every conservative ought to know."

Originally Posted by poet

You're here to promote conservative propaganda. Discussion is for intellectuals. I haven't found too many here.

but you're not intelligent enough to discuss. You prefer to cut and paste liberal stuff and then claim that is proof of liberalisms superiority. Also, if I promote propaganda why be so afriad to post your best example for the whole world to see?

Originally Posted by Brutus

all true but his other tactic is to cut and paste something a liberal wrote and then claim that somehow is proof that liberalism is superior.

Bloody hell Brutus, something we agree on!

Originally Posted by Brutus

actually all agree it was caused by liberal regulation at least according to the two greatest liberal and conservative economists and the two greatest neswpapers:

"First consider the once controversial view that the crisis was largely caused by the Fed's holding interest rates too low for too long after the 2001 recession. This view is now so widely held that the editorial pages of both the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal agree on its validity!"...John B. Taylor( arch conservative, author of the Taylor Rule)


" The Federal reserve having done so much to create the problems in which the economy is now mired, having mistakenly thought that even after the housing bubble burst the problems were contained, and having underestimated the severity of the crisis, now wants to make a contribution to preventing the economy from sinking into a Japanese Style malaise....... - "Joseph Stiglitz"

The feds interest rate activities are not "liberal regulation".

The FED is a private bank...and Greenspan is about as far from being a liberal as you can get. We also know that the Bush administration (also not liberals) pressured the fed to keep interest rates low so the cluster@*#$ they were pretending was an economic policy would not look quite so bad.

On a side note, while the Fed certainly shares a lot of responsibility for the bubble, it has pretty much been proven that LACK of regulation was the primary driver behind it. It should not have been legal to tranche junk mortgages into securities and sell them as AAA, but we deregulated securities markets, so they were able to do it. It should not have been legal for companies to take out default insurance on paper they had no connection to...essentially turning our entire derivatives market into a casino....but we deregulated the derivatives market so they were able to.

The idea that "liberal regulation" caused the economic crisis is simply stupid. I mean REALLY stupid...a whole new level of stupid, even for you.

Originally Posted by Brutus

you mean to classical liberal theory. Classical liberals supported the individual against centralized power. Classical liberalism became modern conservatism. Hayek, Von Mises and Friedman thought of themselves as classical liberals or modern conservatives . Sorry but now you know your ABC's too. And now you know why Aristotle is listed in the recent book, "10 Intellectuals every conservative ought to know."




but you're not intelligent enough to discuss. You prefer to cut and paste liberal stuff and then claim that is proof of liberalisms superiority. Also, if I promote propaganda why be so afriad to post your best example for the whole world to see?

Afriad? You can't even write. Not playing. Discuss? You think Jefferson was a conservative. No one thinks that but you. There is no current conservative invoking the ideals expressed by Jefferson. If so, where is he or she? Discuss that.