Of course those that can afford the best care come to the US for it. I live in the Detroit subs and our hospital parking lots are full of Ontario plates.

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- Margaret Thatcher

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

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The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

This article, originally posted by sarge is worth quoting for posterity as an image of what Obama is attempting to impose on us.

Uh-oh, Canada
by Bill Steigerwald

If Canada's national health-care system is so dang wonderful, why are so many Canadians coming to America to pay for their own medical care?

Why is the hip replacement center of Canada in Ohio -- at the Cleveland Clinic, where 10 percent of its international patients are Canadians?

Why is the Brain and Spine Clinic in Buffalo serving about 10 border-crossing Canadians a week? Why did a Calgary woman recently have to drive several hundred miles to Great Falls, Mont., to give birth to her quadruplets?

It's simple. As the market-oriented Fraser Institute in Vancouver, B.C., can tell you, Canada's vaunted "free" government health-care system cannot or deliberately will not provide its 33 million citizens with the nonemergency health care they want and need when they need or want it.

Courtesy of the institute, here are some unflattering facts about Canada's sickly system:

Number of Canadians on waiting lists for referrals to specialists or for medical services -- 875,000.

Average wait from time of referral to treatment by a specialist -- 17.8 weeks. Shortest waiting time -- oncology, 4.9 weeks. Longest waiting times -- orthopedic surgery, 40.3 weeks. Average wait to get an MRI -- 10.3 weeks nationally but 28 weeks in Newfoundland.

Average wait time for a surgery considered "elective," like a hip replacement -- four or more months.

Hello, Cleveland.

The Canadian system is horribly short on consumer choice and competition. But it isn't all bad -- if you don't mind waiting to access it. As health policy analyst Nadeem Esmail of the Fraser Institute said last week, it does "a decent job of saving your life but treats you terribly in the process."

Esmail says no one knows exactly how many Canadians go to the United States each year for medical care. His best estimate for 2006 -- a conservative one -- is 39,282. Whatever the actual number is, however, it is growing.

Clinics in Detroit and Buffalo market speedy MRIs, CTs or ultrasounds to Canadians which, by law, cannot be purchased privately in some provinces, including Ontario.

Ontario residents have three options: wait months for their free public MRI, travel to a province like Quebec where it is legal to buy one privately or travel to the U.S.

It's no wonder private medical and surgical brokers like Timely Medical Alternatives of Vancouver have sprung into existence. Rick Baker said his three-year-old company refers about 100 Canadians a month to U.S. clinics and hospitals for such things as MRIs and knee replacements.

Timely Medical's services came in handy for Lindsay McCreith, a retired auto body shop owner who was told in 2006 he probably had a brain tumor. He needed an MRI fast. But the wait time for a "free" public one was 4 1/2 months and it was illegal to purchase a private MRI in Ontario.

McCreith contacted Timely Medical, which got him an MRI the next day in Buffalo that showed he had a Titleist-sized tumor. Four and half weeks later, McCreith had received the brain surgery that could have taken eight months to happen in Canada -- if he had still been alive. It cost him $28,000 -- for which Canada's government won't reimburse him.

Stories like McCreith's -- and the downsides of Canadian and American health care -- will be exposed Sept. 14 by ABC's John Stossel in his "20/20" special, tentatively titled "Sick in America." Rick Baker hopes Hillary Clinton and her friends will be watching.

Bill Steigerwald : Uh-oh, Canada - Townhall.com

Oh yeah? I lived in Canada for 10 years and I never had to wait for anything or go to the U.S. Maybe some people on this board will believe this XXXX but not me.

And why do you think that The World Health Organization ranks Canada ahead of the U.S.?
The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
I will tell you why. Because non-essential surgery is the only metric they lag behind. But their healthare cost is half of ours. (Which prices out 40 millon people in the U.S.) For example the waiting time in emergency rooms is longer in the U.S. because the emergency rooms are clogged by the uninsured.

Where do all the Europeans go?

Where do the 40 million uninsured go for hip replacement? You forgot to say that the provincial health plans actually pay for some of the services provided in the U.S. So the Canadians can get a treatment in the U.S. that many Americans cannot.

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When Mr. McCreith tells his story in court, his "truth" will be held up to a much higher standard than Ali's "Townhall". Plus, IF he did fall through the cracks, at least his government will pay for it. Here, 45,000 per year die without financial or geographic or legal recourse. I don't think McCreith (even if his individual story were true) holds a tiny candle to the problems in the States, and the many people denied care every year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he could have taken his case to the Canadian authorities, to begin with, and had it redressed in Canada. But maybe he cut a publicity deal with the ghouls on the other side of the border .. who won't even treat Americans unless they're "covered" appropriately.

Here's an ex-pat in Canada sharing their first shocking experience with universal health care:

Here's a further interview with Sara Robinson by Thom Hartmann on video. "The Myths and Truths About Canadian Healthcare."

She had lived in Canada about five years at the time of this interview. "I had an angiogram about a year ago, and it was a 30,000 dollar procedure and I walked out without a cent." It's an interview worth listening to; Sarah is very personable and articulate, and shares her story and information about the Canadian system, for Americans, quite freely.

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The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

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The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

Oh yes we DO think so. As you know very well where that figure came from.

The latest study at Harvard.

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage | HarvardScience

Interesting, isn't it, how our side is always quoting figures from Harvard and such, and all your ilk can dig up is "Townhall" and Hannity's second grade collages.

Did you even finish 6th grade? I'd believe accurately cited information from the World Health Organization before I'd believe a guy named Ali parading around on a forum with handles like Archangel and "OldSarge". I wonder why?

And by your logic, should WE believe a “woman” parading around as Marie Antoinette, aka Antonia, aka Mintaka?

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"The problem with Socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money."
- Margaret Thatcher

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

No, your failure to understand logic. That logic being, you never believe the poster, you believe the content of their post. The content being a study from Harvard or the World Health Organization.

(But we know you never made it past that elementary school research lesson either.)

Which is why you continue to avoid addressing both the research from the World Health Organization and the research from Harvard.

You just make appearances to drool in your lap.

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The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

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The left lost the ability, use logic or know what truth is with the embrace of moral relativism. Thus you get moral equivalence between acts like detaining terrorists and cutting off heads of innocents.
If lawmakers and anti-gun groups were serious about reducing or ending gun crimes, they would turn their wrath toward the criminals. As it is, their efforts are not the solution to gun crimes they are part of the problem.
Even if you gave liberals the answers on an ethics exam, they’d fail.

Since you insist, I'll attack the study.......Unfortunately, the study is only available to subscribers, so I'm unable to look at the statistical models, correlation co-efficients, etc.,
So, just like you, I'm stuck with having to take the word of someone that paraphrased tiny bits of the study.
That said, did you notice the word "ESTIMATES" being used? That's a scientific term, just like SWAG (scientific wild a$$ guess).

Bring me back some real proof, not conjecture dreamed up to push a liberal agenda. And while you're at it, find the study that links poverty to longevity and then tell me how many jobs will be lost due solely to Obamacare.

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"The problem with Socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money."
- Margaret Thatcher

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

Never mind KOS. Just tell me where the 40 million uninsured Americans go for hip replacement.

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