Originally Posted by Freedom

No, the fact that he kept calling himself the son of man makes him not as scary as thor though.

He wasn't just any "son of man." He was also the Son of God.

First of all, even if the phrase “Son of Man” is a reference to Jesus' humanity, it is not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-8). He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.

Further, Scripture indicates that Jesus was not denying His deity by referring to Himself as the Son of Man. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term “Son of Man” is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For example, the Bible says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the “Son of Man,” Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will return to Earth as the “Son of Man” in clouds of glory to reign on Earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (cf. Daniel 7:9).

Further, when Jesus was asked by the high priest whether He was the “Son of God” (Matthew 26:63), He responded affirmatively, declaring that He was the “Son of Man” who would come in power and great glory (verse 64). This indicated that Jesus Himself used the phrase “Son of Man” to indicate His deity as the Son of God. - Christiananswers.net

But as for the son of man, do you know any of your friends (sons of men) who rise to this level?

“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." Daniel 7:13

"The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 13:41-42

Have you read the Bible? I was just curious because it seems you missed these things. Or, you were purposefully being disingenuous in your quote.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

He wasn't just any "son of man." He was also the Son of God.

First of all, even if the phrase “Son of Man” is a reference to Jesus' humanity, it is not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-8). He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.

Further, Scripture indicates that Jesus was not denying His deity by referring to Himself as the Son of Man. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term “Son of Man” is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For example, the Bible says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the “Son of Man,” Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will return to Earth as the “Son of Man” in clouds of glory to reign on Earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (cf. Daniel 7:9).

Further, when Jesus was asked by the high priest whether He was the “Son of God” (Matthew 26:63), He responded affirmatively, declaring that He was the “Son of Man” who would come in power and great glory (verse 64). This indicated that Jesus Himself used the phrase “Son of Man” to indicate His deity as the Son of God. - Christiananswers.net

But as for the son of man, do you know any of your friends (sons of men) who rise to this level?

“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." Daniel 7:13

"The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 13:41-42

Have you read the Bible? I was just curious because it seems you missed these things. Or, you were purposefully being disingenuous in your quote.

Oh no, it's all perfectly clear now. In case claiming to be god wasn't confusing enough to be begotten by yourself, and to be praised by yourself, and to need a woman to do it; he decided the best label for divinity was calling himself the son of man. Once again you find yourself making excuses for the obvious contradictions, son of man in an honest literal sense would mean he was the son of a man, and a man is not a god.

The Muslims noticed this, and you have nothing to say against them. When asked if he was the son of God, him answering that he was the son of man could very well have indicated that he was denying it; and the coming in clouds and glory is the insanity stuff. The God of the old testament was not afraid to show Israel is power, yet when this supposedly self-same God appears before them he won't even call himself God.

Originally Posted by Freedom

Oh no, it's all perfectly clear now. In case claiming to be god wasn't confusing enough to be begotten by yourself, and to be praised by yourself, and to need a woman to do it; he decided the best label for divinity was calling himself the son of man. Once again you find yourself making excuses for the obvious contradictions, son of man in an honest literal sense would mean he was the son of a man, and a man is not a god.

There is no contradiction on this. The Son of Man is divine as well as human. It only becomes a contradiction in your mind when you cut out the scriptures you don't like and conveniently leave them on your cutting room floor.

Originally Posted by Freedom

The Muslims noticed this, and you have nothing to say against them. When asked if he was the son of God, him answering that he was the son of man could very well have indicated that he was denying it; and the coming in clouds and glory is the insanity stuff. The God of the old testament was not afraid to show Israel is power, yet when this supposedly self-same God appears before them he won't even call himself God.

The Muslims are spiritually challenged. They claim Jesus was a prophet yet they refuse to listen to him when he says he is the only way to the Father (John 14:6).

When you can bust the resurrection, which Jesus himself prophesied, saying he would raise himself up from the dead ("Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again,") then you will have some credibility on your insanity claim. Otherwise it's horse dung.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

There is no contradiction on this. The Son of Man is divine as well as human. It only becomes a contradiction in your mind when you cut out the scriptures you don't like and conveniently leave them on your cutting room floor.

It only ceases to be a contradiction when you leave the meaning of the words on your cutting room floor and justify it with other parts of the scriptures.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

The Muslims are spiritually challenged. They claim Jesus was a prophet yet they refuse to listen to him when he says he is the only way to the Father (John 14:6).

They reject that the gospel according to john is the words of Jesus. If he really said it why wasn't it in any of the other gospels? Why is pretty much everything about the singularity of christianity or the divinity of Jesus in John.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

When you can bust the resurrection, which Jesus himself prophesied, saying he would raise himself up from the dead ("Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again,") then you will have some credibility on your insanity claim. Otherwise it's horse dung.

For being truth personified he seems to lie a lot or at very best not mean things literally very often. The temple was not rebuilt in three days, nor was it destroyed in his lifetime.

Originally Posted by Freedom

It only ceases to be a contradiction when you leave the meaning of the words on your cutting room floor and justify it with other parts of the scriptures.

It's not "either/or," Freedom. The Scriptures are complimentary.

Originally Posted by Freedom

They reject that the gospel according to john is the words of Jesus.

Who cares what those spiritually-challenged Muslims think? They have almost zilch in the way of credibility concerning the Gospels as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by Freedom

If he really said it why wasn't it in any of the other gospels? Why is pretty much everything about the singularity of christianity or the divinity of Jesus in John.

Pick me out any of the Gospels and I'll show you the divinity of Christ in them.

Originally Posted by Freedom

For being truth personified he seems to lie a lot or at very best not mean things literally very often. The temple was not rebuilt in three days, nor was it destroyed in his lifetime.

The "Temple" that was spoken of in that scripture was the body of Jesus (John 2:21).

Originally Posted by Easyrider

It's not "either/or," Freedom. The Scriptures are complimentary.

They should be they are contradictory. Not seeing that as a bad thing Christians take that contradiction embrace it as divine mystery and claim contradictions are true. Such as Jesus is both man and god. God is three people, and one person. God is perfectly merciful, but he'll throw you in the pit if you step out of line, he is perfectly just; but he waits till the end of time to punish the wrong doers (to which he shows no mercy).

He calls himself the son of man a dozen times, but because he does not answer a question directly he must be the son of God.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Who cares what those spiritually-challenged Muslims think? They have almost zilch in the way of credibility concerning the Gospels as far as I'm concerned.

I do, at least they've done some research. Your version of history has the gospels floating down from heaven and simply assumes john was more astute than the other three.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Pick me out any of the Gospels and I'll show you the divinity of Christ in them.

By way of implication and no more. Find me one passage in any of the gospels which has Jesus himself claiming to be the son of God. Not the son of man which you want to believe means the son of God, not Jesus commanding angels or forgiving sins or some voice calling him a beloved son. Surely this man who is truth incarnate did not forget that little detail right? Even if he did I am a son of God that is a common term for the chosen people.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

The "Temple" that was spoken of in that scripture was the body of Jesus (John 2:21).

Oh look, it's John again. Always there to fix these nagging problems how convenient. You can take any contradictory, mess of assertions and parables and make it consistent if phrases and words get to mean different things based on what they would need to to make sense. Trouble is it may require you to contradict the meaning of the original language, as happens a lot in the bible. Son of man -> son of god is just a good example.

Originally Posted by Freedom

They should be they are contradictory. Not seeing that as a bad thing Christians take that contradiction embrace it as divine mystery and claim contradictions are true. Such as Jesus is both man and god. God is three people, and one person.

God is not one person. God is three persons who are all God and who are unified in their one Godhead.

Originally Posted by Freedom

God is perfectly merciful, but he'll throw you in the pit if you step out of line...

The Bible shows that God is merciful TO A POINT, but he is just also. You exaggerate his mercy.

Originally Posted by Freedom

he is perfectly just; but he waits till the end of time to punish the wrong doers (to which he shows no mercy).

Provide your best ONE example? You're saying there's no "wrong doers"? You're wrong. The Bible says ALL HAVE SINNED and fallen short of the glory of God.

Originally Posted by Freedom

He calls himself the son of man a dozen times, but because he does not answer a question directly he must be the son of God.

I don't know where you come up with that. Jesus called himself the son of man and he clearly also identified himself as being divine at other times.

Originally Posted by Freedom

Your version of history has the gospels floating down from heaven and simply assumes john was more astute than the other three.

Wrong on both accounts. Show me where I claimed either of those?

Originally Posted by Freedom

Find me one passage in any of the gospels which has Jesus himself claiming to be the son of God.

Creating a strawman. One doesn't have to explicitly claim to be the Son of God if it's otherwise demonstrated in his quotes and actions. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Explanation in the link:

Delve Into Jesus : Articles : Did Jesus Claim to be the Son of God?

Originally Posted by Easyrider

God is not one person. God is three persons who are all God and who are unified in their one Godhead.

So this is really tritheisim.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

The Bible shows that God is merciful TO A POINT, but he is just also. You exaggerate his mercy.

It shows he can't be perfectly anything.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Provide your best ONE example? You're saying there's no "wrong doers"? You're wrong. The Bible says ALL HAVE SINNED and fallen short of the glory of God.

All human beings everywhere?

Originally Posted by Easyrider

I don't know where you come up with that. Jesus called himself the son of man and he clearly also identified himself as being divine at other times.

No he didn't. He just called God is father a bunch of times, he also told people to pray to God addressing him as father. Does that mean he clearly identified everyone as divine?

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Wrong on both accounts. Show me where I claimed either of those?

You are denying that you have claimed the gospels are divinely inspired? You are denying that John is significantly different in important ways from the other three?

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Creating a strawman. One doesn't have to explicitly claim to be the Son of God if it's otherwise demonstrated in his quotes and actions. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Explanation in the link:

I want you to explicitly say it. No where in the gospels does Jesus explicitly claim to be a a God.

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Lots of fluff, Freedom, but I will answer this one:

Originally Posted by Freedom

I want you to explicitly say it. No where in the gospels does Jesus explicitly claim to be a a God.

Jesus expresses his divinity quite often. In the Gospel of Mark when Jesus was walking on the water, the Greek actually says, "It is I AM" (ego eimi).

He said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. Only God is Lord of the Sabbath.

Elsewhere...

Did Jesus Claim to be God?

Among the religious leaders who have attained a large following throughout history, Jesus Christ is unique in the fact that He alone claimed to be God in human flesh. A common misconception is that some or many of the leaders of the world's religions made similar claims, but this is simply not the case.

Buddha did not claim to be God; Moses never said that he was Yahweh; Mohammed did not identify himself to be Ahura Mazda. Yet Jesus, the carpenter from Nazareth, said that he who has seen him (Jesus) has seen the Father (John 14:9).

The claims of Christ are many and varied. He said that He existed before Abraham (John 8:58), and that He was equal with the Father (John 14:9).

The New Testament equated Jesus as the creator of the universe (John 1:3), and that He is the one who holds everything together (Colossians 1:17). The apostle Paul says that God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16, KJV), and John the evangelist says that "the Word was God" (John 1:1). The united testimony of Jesus and the writers of the New Testament is that He was more than mere man; He was God.

Not only did His friends notice that He claimed to be God, but so did His enemies as well. There may be some doubt today among the skeptics who refuse to examine the evidence, but there was no doubt on the part of the Jewish authorities.

When Jesus asked them why they wanted to stone Him, they replied, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God" (John 10:33, NASB).

This fact separates Jesus from the other religious figures. In the major religions of the world, the teachings -- not the teacher -- are all-important.

Confucianism is a set of teachings; Confucius is not important. Islam is the revelation of Allah, with Mohammed being the prophet, and Buddhism emphasizes the principles of the Buddha and not Buddha himself. This is especially true of Hinduism, where there is no historic founder.
However, at the center of Christianity is the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not just claim to be teaching mankind the truth; He claimed that He was the truth (John 14:6).

What Jesus taught is not the important aspect of Christianity, but what is important is who Jesus was. Was He the Son of God? Is He the only way a person can reach God? This was the claim He made for Himself.

Suppose this very night the President of the United States appeared on all the major networks and proclaimed that "I am God Almighty. I have the power to forgive sin. I have the authority to raise my life back from the dead."

He would be quickly and quietly shut off the air, led away, and replaced by the Vice-President. Anybody who would dare make such claims would have to be either out of his mind or a liar, unless he was God.

This is exactly the case with Jesus. He clearly claimed all these things and more. If He is God, as He claimed, we must believe in Him, and if He is not, then we should have nothing to do with Him. Jesus is either Lord of all or not Lord at all.

Yes, Jesus claimed to be God. Why should anyone believe it? After all, merely claiming to be something does not make it true. Where's the evidence that Jesus is God?

The Bible gives various reasons, including miracles and fulfilled prophecy, that are intended to convince us that Jesus is the one whom He said He was (John 20:30, 31). The main reason, or the sign which Jesus Himself said would demonstrate that He was the Son of God, was His resurrection from the dead.

When asked for a sign from the religious leaders, Jesus replied, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40, RSV).

In another place He said, when asked for a sign, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up . . . but he spoke of the temple of his body" (John 2:19, 21). The ability to raise His life back from the dead was the sign that separates Him not only from all other religious leaders, but also from anyone else who has ever lived.

Anyone wishing to refute the case for Christianity must explain away the story of the resurrection. Therefore, according to the Bible, Jesus proves to be the Son of God by coming back from the dead (Romans 1:4). The evidence is overwhelming that Jesus did rise from the grave, and it is this fact that proves Jesus to be God.

This is an excerpt from the book, "Answers to Tough Questions," by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart.

Need more evidence the Bible identifies Jesus as God?

Jesus Must be Jehovah

Jesus Must be Jehovah «

The Deity of Christ

1. Jesus existed in the beginning (John 1:1; Philip 2:6; Rev. 19:13; Micah 5:2).
2. He was with God (John 1:1).
3. He is God, the Son (John 1:1; Rom. 9:5; Heb. 1:8, 10; I John 5:20).
4. He is God manifest in the flesh (John 20:28; I Tim. 3:16; Col. 2:9; Acts 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
5. He is God foretold (Isaiah 9:6; Psalm 45:6).
6. He is Immanuel, God with us (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23).
7. He is the true God (I John 5:20 with Titus 2:13; Romans 9:5).
8. He is the great God (Titus 2:13).
9. He is God our Savior (II Peter 1:1).
10. He existed in the form of God before His incarnation and was equal with God the Father
(Philippians 2:5-7).
11. He is the only wise God (Jude 25).
12. He is omnipotent over disease. (Matthew 8:1-4; Luke 4:39)
13. He is omnipotent over demons. (Matthew 8:16-17; Luke 4:35)
14. He is omnipotent over nature. ((Matthew 8:26)
15. He is omnipotent over death. (Luke 7:14-15; John 11:25)
16. He is omniscient, knowing the hearts of the Pharisees. (Matthew 12:25;
Luke 5:22; 6:8; 7:39-40)
17. He knew the thoughts of the scribes. (Matthew 9:3-4)
18. He knew the history of the Samaritan woman. (John 4:24)
19. He is omnipresent. (Matthew 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; 14:20)
20. He was worshiped as God by the angels (Hebrews 1:6); worshiped as
God by the wise men (Matthew 2:2); worshiped as God by the shepherds
(Luke 2:15); worshiped as God by a ruler (Matthew 9:18); worshiped as
God by Thomas (John 20:28); worshiped as God by the apostles (Matthew
14:33; 28:9).
21. He forgives sins. (Mark 2:5)
22. He saves. (Matthew 18:11; John 10:28).
23. He judges. (John 5:22)
24. Paul, Peter, Jude, James, and John called Him God. (Galatians 2:20; 1 Peter
3:22; Jude 25; James 2:1; I John 5:20; Revelation 1:18; 19:16)
25. He is God's Son, who was sent to bring us eternal life. (John 3:16)
26. He arose from death in the flesh (John 20:26-28; Luke 24:39-43; I John 4:2-3).
27. One with the Father (John 10:30).

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Lots of fluff, Freedom, but I will answer this one:



Jesus expresses his divinity quite often. In the Gospel of Mark when Jesus was walking on the water, the Greek actually says, "It is I AM" (ego eimi).

He said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. Only God is Lord of the Sabbath.

Elsewhere...

Did Jesus Claim to be God?

Among the religious leaders who have attained a large following throughout history, Jesus Christ is unique in the fact that He alone claimed to be God in human flesh. A common misconception is that some or many of the leaders of the world's religions made similar claims, but this is simply not the case.

Buddha did not claim to be God; Moses never said that he was Yahweh; Mohammed did not identify himself to be Ahura Mazda. Yet Jesus, the carpenter from Nazareth, said that he who has seen him (Jesus) has seen the Father (John 14:9).

The claims of Christ are many and varied. He said that He existed before Abraham (John 8:58), and that He was equal with the Father (John 14:9).

The New Testament equated Jesus as the creator of the universe (John 1:3), and that He is the one who holds everything together (Colossians 1:17). The apostle Paul says that God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16, KJV), and John the evangelist says that "the Word was God" (John 1:1). The united testimony of Jesus and the writers of the New Testament is that He was more than mere man; He was God.

Not only did His friends notice that He claimed to be God, but so did His enemies as well. There may be some doubt today among the skeptics who refuse to examine the evidence, but there was no doubt on the part of the Jewish authorities.

When Jesus asked them why they wanted to stone Him, they replied, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God" (John 10:33, NASB).

This fact separates Jesus from the other religious figures. In the major religions of the world, the teachings -- not the teacher -- are all-important.

Confucianism is a set of teachings; Confucius is not important. Islam is the revelation of Allah, with Mohammed being the prophet, and Buddhism emphasizes the principles of the Buddha and not Buddha himself. This is especially true of Hinduism, where there is no historic founder.
However, at the center of Christianity is the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not just claim to be teaching mankind the truth; He claimed that He was the truth (John 14:6).

What Jesus taught is not the important aspect of Christianity, but what is important is who Jesus was. Was He the Son of God? Is He the only way a person can reach God? This was the claim He made for Himself.

Suppose this very night the President of the United States appeared on all the major networks and proclaimed that "I am God Almighty. I have the power to forgive sin. I have the authority to raise my life back from the dead."

He would be quickly and quietly shut off the air, led away, and replaced by the Vice-President. Anybody who would dare make such claims would have to be either out of his mind or a liar, unless he was God.

This is exactly the case with Jesus. He clearly claimed all these things and more. If He is God, as He claimed, we must believe in Him, and if He is not, then we should have nothing to do with Him. Jesus is either Lord of all or not Lord at all.

Yes, Jesus claimed to be God. Why should anyone believe it? After all, merely claiming to be something does not make it true. Where's the evidence that Jesus is God?

The Bible gives various reasons, including miracles and fulfilled prophecy, that are intended to convince us that Jesus is the one whom He said He was (John 20:30, 31). The main reason, or the sign which Jesus Himself said would demonstrate that He was the Son of God, was His resurrection from the dead.

When asked for a sign from the religious leaders, Jesus replied, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40, RSV).

In another place He said, when asked for a sign, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up . . . but he spoke of the temple of his body" (John 2:19, 21). The ability to raise His life back from the dead was the sign that separates Him not only from all other religious leaders, but also from anyone else who has ever lived.

Anyone wishing to refute the case for Christianity must explain away the story of the resurrection. Therefore, according to the Bible, Jesus proves to be the Son of God by coming back from the dead (Romans 1:4). The evidence is overwhelming that Jesus did rise from the grave, and it is this fact that proves Jesus to be God.

This is an excerpt from the book, "Answers to Tough Questions," by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart.

Need more evidence the Bible identifies Jesus as God?

Jesus Must be Jehovah

Jesus Must be Jehovah «

The Deity of Christ

1. Jesus existed in the beginning (John 1:1; Philip 2:6; Rev. 19:13; Micah 5:2).
2. He was with God (John 1:1).
3. He is God, the Son (John 1:1; Rom. 9:5; Heb. 1:8, 10; I John 5:20).
4. He is God manifest in the flesh (John 20:28; I Tim. 3:16; Col. 2:9; Acts 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
5. He is God foretold (Isaiah 9:6; Psalm 45:6).
6. He is Immanuel, God with us (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23).
7. He is the true God (I John 5:20 with Titus 2:13; Romans 9:5).
8. He is the great God (Titus 2:13).
9. He is God our Savior (II Peter 1:1).
10. He existed in the form of God before His incarnation and was equal with God the Father
(Philippians 2:5-7).
11. He is the only wise God (Jude 25).
12. He is omnipotent over disease. (Matthew 8:1-4; Luke 4:39)
13. He is omnipotent over demons. (Matthew 8:16-17; Luke 4:35)
14. He is omnipotent over nature. ((Matthew 8:26)
15. He is omnipotent over death. (Luke 7:14-15; John 11:25)
16. He is omniscient, knowing the hearts of the Pharisees. (Matthew 12:25;
Luke 5:22; 6:8; 7:39-40)
17. He knew the thoughts of the scribes. (Matthew 9:3-4)
18. He knew the history of the Samaritan woman. (John 4:24)
19. He is omnipresent. (Matthew 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; 14:20)
20. He was worshiped as God by the angels (Hebrews 1:6); worshiped as
God by the wise men (Matthew 2:2); worshiped as God by the shepherds
(Luke 2:15); worshiped as God by a ruler (Matthew 9:18); worshiped as
God by Thomas (John 20:28); worshiped as God by the apostles (Matthew
14:33; 28:9).
21. He forgives sins. (Mark 2:5)
22. He saves. (Matthew 18:11; John 10:28).
23. He judges. (John 5:22)
24. Paul, Peter, Jude, James, and John called Him God. (Galatians 2:20; 1 Peter
3:22; Jude 25; James 2:1; I John 5:20; Revelation 1:18; 19:16)
25. He is God's Son, who was sent to bring us eternal life. (John 3:16)
26. He arose from death in the flesh (John 20:26-28; Luke 24:39-43; I John 4:2-3).
27. One with the Father (John 10:30).

You made me read all that, but there wasn't anything about Jesus claiming to be God. You cite passages with annoying regularity, cite me Jesus claiming to be god.

Originally Posted by Freedom

You made me read all that, but there wasn't anything about Jesus claiming to be God.

You've got to be kidding. I'm not going to bother further on this since you ignore of casually dismiss the evidences I have already provided.

Have a nice life.

I preached on Good Friday that Jesus's intimacy with John suggested he was gay as I felt deeply it had to be addressed

Why is it that for some people, anytime two men express a close relationship, they assume something sexual??? It's funny how we don't do that with women usually, but some people seem to think men are incapable of close friendships without something 'gay' going on. How ridiculous. Heck, go to a number of African countries, and you'll see men walking down the street holding hands, but it's just their way of expressing friendship.
Anyway, no, there is no real evidence that Jesus was gay.