Originally Posted by gansao

Anti incest groups have all the characteristics of people who want to have sex with their mothers.
Do anti 'ex gays' show the characteristics of homosexual self hatred?...it never ends I just think this is gays being bitchy

Gays being bitchy?

You are the one doing all the bitching here.

Originally Posted by daewoo

Still cant hold a job?.

Sad.

Ive never been unemployed and yes you are.

Originally Posted by daewoo

No its not. .

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So you admit its not even as factual as your ridiculous gay- scale.Well done

Originally Posted by daewoo

So the 9 that he listed that we know absolutely were legally registered and the "bottom" was afforded all the rights and privileges of a wife didn't count because in ONE example one of the participants was a slave?.

Legally registered? PSML Even proposing 1 example of a castrated catamite to a mad emporer tends to question the validity of the rest and the judgement of the author.

Originally Posted by daewoo

You truly are neck in neck with easyrider to be the most ignorant person I have ever conversed with..

You should be in my shoes and try to converse with a nitwit like you

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Originally Posted by daewoo

You apparently did not bother to read the article. It lays out the methodology of the study there.

There is plenty of data.

And you still just have your ignorant opinion..

There is not plenty of data..you cant pay the $12 to provide it

Originally Posted by daewoo

Yep. The guys who did the study.

You would not be so shrill about this if you were not scared to death that you are included in the majority, which you pretty clearly are. That is why you are so fixated on this kind of thing and so dead set against changing you opinion, even when it requires denial to the point that you look like a complete and utter irrational retard. You are scared to death of your homosexual feelings, and are scared to death that you cannot control them on your own, so you need society to help you control them by severely restricting the activities and acceptance of gays.

No matter how you cut it, the fact that you believe that being gay is a CHOICE means you have homosexual urges. If you didnt, you could not logically come to the conclusion that it is a choice. You would recognize, if you were a straight man, that the idea of a choice existing is simply silly because it is not possible to choose to be attracted to members of the same sex if you are straight. Trust me on this...or maybe a few other straight folks would like to charm in here and see if they can explain it better.

Alternatively, maybe some of our gay members could explain it better, because they have probably spent a lot more time thinking about it.

So, we have established logically that you DO have homosexual urges. Now go back and read through your ranting in this post, with that in mind. Clearly you are lashing out because of fear of your own sexual identity.

Now you are just being bitchy and at the same time accusing others of being gay..typical of a closet homosexual

Ive never stated that homosexuality is a choice..I just ridiculed your assertion that people who do are closet gays... you should read a liitle more closely
Maybe you are sore because I refused your offer of a date

Originally Posted by Accipiter

Gays being bitchy?

Yeah, what are they like eh?

Originally Posted by Accipiter

You are the one doing all the bitching here.

Not me, Im debating. You are bitching that I am bitching

Originally Posted by Provocateaur

Wonderful video...

Probably Gay, the Homophobia Song - Katie Goodman's Broad Comedy - YouTube

This site keeps a running count of anti-gay legislators and public figures as they are shown to be gay or caught having gay sex---


Gay Homophobe

As a gay man I don't dispute that there could be some truth to this however a study conducted with such a limited test group should not be used as the be all and end all to generate a blanket term that homophobes are probably gay.

What I dislike about this is that we start doing exactly what straight people do to decry gays. Finding an example of several gay men who have molested children and blowing this up to mean all gay men are pedophiles. Pointing at Cynthia Nixon who says she chose to be a lesbian so therefore being gay is a choice for all.

In addition telling homophobes they are gay does nothing to address the problem it simply inflames homophobes to very likely become more virulent in their attacks against gays.

Surely we should try to rise above the same tactics that narrow minded, hate filled anti-gay lobbyists use.

I'll second that.

And I'll admit that in my youth I was homophobic. And racist to boot. Small town upbringing with a small town mentality. You move around a bit, you meet different people, you realise that what you thought you believed was a crock.

You gradualloy develop empathy.

Originally Posted by daewoo

Huh?

You need to look up the definition of the word "logic". You are doing it wrong.

Wonderful, you walked straight into that one; I saw it coming from the first. These oxymoronic statements all have the potential for that kind of silliness.

"The only thing I know is that I know nothing"
"Why listen to a know nothing?"

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
"Are you sure?"

"Homophobes are really closet homosexuals"
"Then stop repressing yourselves"

Originally Posted by DaveP

As a gay man I don't dispute that there could be some truth to this however a study conducted with such a limited test group should not be used as the be all and end all to generate a blanket term that homophobes are probably gay.

What I dislike about this is that we start doing exactly what straight people do to decry gays. Finding an example of several gay men who have molested children and blowing this up to mean all gay men are pedophiles. Pointing at Cynthia Nixon who says she chose to be a lesbian so therefore being gay is a choice for all.

In addition telling homophobes they are gay does nothing to address the problem it simply inflames homophobes to very likely become more virulent in their attacks against gays.

Surely we should try to rise above the same tactics that narrow minded, hate filled anti-gay lobbyists use.

Exactly.The way to dispel lies is not create more lies.
I cant understand why the ' gay community' doesnt just let the ' we can cure gays' just get on with it and let the results speak.

Originally Posted by gansao

Exactly.The way to dispel lies is not create more lies.
I cant understand why the ' gay community' doesnt just let the ' we can cure gays' just get on with it and let the results speak.

They have. With disastrous results according to the APA and also the former Director of Pray the Gay Away who now says reformative therapy has never and will never work.

http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressrel...2011/10/19399/

Originally Posted by DaveP

They have. With disastrous results according to the APA and also the former Director of Pray the Gay Away who now says reformative therapy has never and will never work.

Truth Wins Out - Former ‘Ex-Gay’ Activist John Smid on Hardball with Chris Matthews

Gay groups in London have caused a ban for ' gay cures' poster on London buses.
What they should do( as all gays should do) is openly challenge the effectiveness of the cure not try to suppress it but it seems they would rather cry than use their heads

Originally Posted by gansao

Gay groups in London have caused a ban for ' gay cures' poster on London buses.
What they should do( as all gays should do) is openly challenge the effectiveness of the cure not try to suppress it but it seems they would rather cry than use their heads

The ineffectiveness of the cure has been openly discussed and confirmed - hence the provided link and reference to the APA. I am a somewhat baffled as to why you did not understand the information provided. Unless of course your PHD in Psychiatry allows you effectively debate the decisions reached by the American Psychiatric Association.

Requesting false advertising to be removed would seem logical.

Originally Posted by DaveP

The ineffectiveness of the cure has been openly discussed and confirmed - hence the provided link and reference to the APA. I am a somewhat baffled as to why you did not understand the information provided. Unless of course your PHD in Psychiatry allows you effectively debate the decisions reached by the American Psychiatric Association.

Requesting false advertising to be removed would seem logical.

It wasnt removed on that basis

Originally Posted by gansao

It wasnt removed on that basis

I don't live there but I believe it was removed because the ad inferred being gay was illness that could be cured, which it is not.

How is that not false advertising?

Originally Posted by DaveP

I don't live there but I believe it was removed because the ad inferred being gay was illness that could be cured, which it is not.

How is that not false advertising?

I dont think it was described as an illness.
The ban because it was deemed homophobic not because of trading standards.

Originally Posted by gansao

I dont think it was described as an illness.
The ban because it was deemed homophobic not because of trading standards.

The Mayor London would disagree: "But the British capital's mayor, Boris Johnson, stepped in to ban it. "It is clearly offensive to suggest being gay is an illness someone recovers from," the mayor said in a statement on Thursday. "And I am not prepared to have that suggestion driven around London on our buses.""

And yes your correct regarding why it was removed - and I am still not seeing a problem with that reasoning. Your previous comment regarding crying instead of disputing is moot as it has already been disputed and I doubt there were gay people sobbing on the streets.