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    Gay Rights Group Says It Will Publish R-71 Petition Signers Names

    "Know thy Neighbor" is still up to their old nasty tactics.

    Gay Rights Group Says It Will Publish R-71 Petition Signers Names OPB News

    The gay pride reaction to Prop 8 certainly proved that taking a stand against the gay lobby can be dangerous. I think the appeal on this makes sense, on the basis that people need to be able to take part in the democratic process without threat of violence, and Know-Thy-Neighbor even comes right out and makes clear confrontation is one of their goals here.
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    Essex, MA, June 24, 2010 -- KnowThyNeighbor.org, the national gay rights organization known for publishing online the names of close to a million anti-gay petition signers, celebrates a major victory in today's Doe v. Reed ruling by the US Supreme Court.
    The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 that petition signers do NOT have a constitutional right to keep their identities private.

    “Signing a petition in public is a powerful and meaningful act. Signing your name in secret means nothing,” says Aaron Toleos, co-director of KnowThyNeighbor.org. “Today the Supreme Court affirmed the idea that a petition derives its legitimacy from the very fact that it is a public document.”

    http://knowthyneighbor.blogs.com/hom...on-online.html

    SCOTUS up to its old nasty tricks too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    SCOTUS up to its old nasty tricks too.
    Speaking for myself, I'm not questioning the legality of a public petition being public. I'm calling a group on their malevolence that would actually go out of their way to publish such information for the purpose of encouraging confrontations (which this group has basically claimed as a motivation), and (IMO) as an act of revenge. An act can be legal yet underhanded at the same time. Though on the flip-side, anyone who signs a petition should do so knowing it is public information, and if they have a problem with that, they shouldn't sign it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyoshu View Post
    Speaking for myself, I'm not questioning the legality of a public petition being public. I'm calling a group on their malevolence that would actually go out of their way to publish such information for the purpose of encouraging confrontations (which this group has basically claimed as a motivation), and (IMO) as an act of revenge. An act can be legal yet underhanded at the same time. Though on the flip-side, anyone who signs a petition should do so knowing it is public information, and if they have a problem with that, they shouldn't sign it.
    I for one want to know who hates me and my family so much that they would sign a petition to take away my families rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew S View Post
    I for one want to know who hates me and my family so much that they would sign a petition to take away my families rights.
    And ultimately what will you do with this information once you have obtained it?
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    And ultimately what will you do with this information once you have obtained it?
    Confront them in parking lots and on the street. Ask them why they hate me and my fmaily so much that they were willing do harm to us. If it some on I know and they need help sometime, I would tell them to go to hell. If it is someone I know and they are trying to raise money for something I would tell them to go to hell.
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    You may very well open yourself up to harassment and possible stalking charges if you choose to confront people over their assumed political positions, especially if you make an above average effort to confront them in a public location you would not normally go to. If you confront these people while they're in the presence of their children it may be even worse.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    You may very well open yourself up to harassment and possible stalking charges if you choose to confront people over their assumed political positions, especially if you make an above average effort to confront them in a public location you would not normally go to. If you confront these people while they're in the presence of their children it may be even worse.
    So then you are against me having free speech too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew S View Post
    So then you are against me having free speech too?
    Perhaps you would care to explain exactly how the standard of "free speech" applies when you are using publicly available records to locate and track down individuals you don't know, for the deliberate action of confronting them over how they voted on a ballot matter relating to an issue you take offense with.

    Such tactics sound more like stalking and intimidation rather than a legitimate exercise in freedom of speech or freedom of association.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jyoshu View Post
    "Know thy Neighbor" is still up to their old nasty tactics.

    Gay Rights Group Says It Will Publish R-71 Petition Signers Names OPB News

    The gay pride reaction to Prop 8 certainly proved that taking a stand against the gay lobby can be dangerous. I think the appeal on this makes sense, on the basis that people need to be able to take part in the democratic process without threat of violence, and Know-Thy-Neighbor even comes right out and makes clear confrontation is one of their goals here.
    Well I think everyone could use some more confrontation, the world is perishing from a lack of argument.

    Democracy is based on an informed logical public, yet under the guise of free-speech the culture of most western democracies pretty much preaches that what ever you want to think (and then vote for) is 'OK' merely because it's your individual choice.

    Debate has a purpose, it's the natural selection of ideas; logical ones survive illogical ones don't. If people were willing to debate on a regular basis without being uncomfortable or becoming emotional things would start getting better fast.

    If I ever signed any petition I would expect that it would be public, what is it's point but to make a statement? If Matthew walked up to me in a public place and tried to make a scene I would make it bigger; I would tell anyone who cared to listen why I believe what I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenamnes View Post
    Perhaps you would care to explain exactly how the standard of "free speech" applies when you are using publicly available records to locate and track down individuals you don't know, for the deliberate action of confronting them over how they voted on a ballot matter relating to an issue you take offense with.

    Such tactics sound more like stalking and intimidation rather than a legitimate exercise in freedom of speech or freedom of association.
    So then you are opposed to free speech. How is confronting someone intimidation? If you sign a public record then have the balls to stand up for what you believe in.

    BTW I have confronted people in parking lots over their marriage = one man one woman bumper stickers or If i see them driving I hold up a sign that says bigot as I pass them.

    People have got to know that their voting and their signing these petitions have real world consequences for real people. They have to know that signing these petitions and voting is just not a theoretical exercise, that there actions hurt real people with real lives.

    One woman I confronted over her bumper sticker said "it is just an opinion" I responded "no, it is now the law that I have to live under and has hurt my family". She was stunned by the come back as if she finally got it.

    Also if a business owner is on the list then I do not spend money at that business and I would publish that information for all marriage equality supporters to make up their own minds to support that business or not.
    I am seriously thinking of starting a boycott of Godfathers Pizza because Herman Cain was its CEO. Too bad really because I loved Godfathers pizza but Cain is so anti gay I can not support a company that has his stench on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew S View Post

    BTW I have confronted people in parking lots over their marriage = one man one woman bumper stickers or If i see them driving I hold up a sign that says bigot as I pass them.
    Obviously you're a bigot yourself too then when you do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew S View Post
    BTW I have confronted people in parking lots over their marriage = one man one woman bumper stickers or If i see them driving I hold up a sign that says bigot as I pass them...

    One woman I confronted over her bumper sticker said "it is just an opinion" I responded "no, it is now the law that I have to live under and has hurt my family". She was stunned by the come back as if she finally got it.

    Also if a business owner is on the list then I do not spend money at that business and I would publish that information for all marriage equality supporters to make up their own minds to support that business or not ...

    I am seriously thinking of starting a boycott of Godfathers Pizza because Herman Cain was its CEO. Too bad really because I loved Godfathers pizza but Cain is so anti gay I can not support a company that has his stench on it.
    Wow I bet people just loooove to see you coming!

    Seriously though, Herman Cain's views on gay actions is pretty typical and normal. If you boycott anyone with his view, you must not interact with about half the people out there.
    And at some point, I would have assumed you would realize by now that most people don't use the gay pride as the main lens they judge everyone through. This just isn't as big a deal for most people as it is you. Heck even a CNN poll I saw put gay marriage at only 1 or 2% in the list of issues people considered things that needed to be focused on in this country, compared to all the other much more important matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew S View Post
    So then you are opposed to free speech. How is confronting someone intimidation? If you sign a public record then have the balls to stand up for what you believe in.

    BTW I have confronted people in parking lots over their marriage = one man one woman bumper stickers or If i see them driving I hold up a sign that says bigot as I pass them.

    People have got to know that their voting and their signing these petitions have real world consequences for real people. They have to know that signing these petitions and voting is just not a theoretical exercise, that there actions hurt real people with real lives.

    One woman I confronted over her bumper sticker said "it is just an opinion" I responded "no, it is now the law that I have to live under and has hurt my family". She was stunned by the come back as if she finally got it.
    Then you may wish to do some research regarding case law and legal precedent. Some of your supposed tactics may not be regarded as free speech but rather harassment or stalking by the police and the courts.

    Also if a business owner is on the list then I do not spend money at that business and I would publish that information for all marriage equality supporters to make up their own minds to support that business or not.
    I am seriously thinking of starting a boycott of Godfathers Pizza because Herman Cain was its CEO. Too bad really because I loved Godfathers pizza but Cain is so anti gay I can not support a company that has his stench on it.
    Ultimately that is your decision.
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyrider View Post
    Obviously you're a bigot yourself too then when you do that.

    For the record, sodomy is a sin and should never be legitimized. Recommend you give up on that kind of lifestyle, repent, and return to God.
    I am pretty sure that you have engaged in sodomy yourself at some time during your life, unless of course you have never had a XXXX job.

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