Originally Posted by Freedom

You are free to prepare you own food with soiled hands, if you offer it to others it is implied by the trade that the food is safe to eat.

It's this type of logic that explains why utopian world will never be... lmao.

102 Things NOT To Do If You Hate Taxes | AddictingInfo.Org

So, you’re a Republican that hates taxes? Well, since you do not like taxes or government, please kindly do the following.

1. Do not use Medicare.
2. Do not use Social Security
3. Do not become a member of the US military, who are paid with tax dollars.
4. Do not ask the National Guard to help you after a disaster.
5. Do not call 911 when you get hurt.
6. Do not call the police to stop intruders in your home.
7. Do not summon the fire department to save your burning home.
8. Do not drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge.
9. Do not use public restrooms.
10. Do not send your kids to public schools.
11. Do not put your trash out for city garbage collectors.
12. Do not live in areas with clean air.
13. Do not drink clean water.
14. Do not visit National Parks.
15. Do not visit public museums, zoos, and monuments.
16. Do not eat or use FDA inspected food and medicines.
17. Do not bring your kids to public playgrounds.
18. Do not walk or run on sidewalks.
19. Do not use public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts.
20. Do not seek shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry.
21. Do not apply for educational or job training assistance when you lose your job.
22. Do not apply for food stamps when you can’t feed your children.
23. Do not use the judiciary system for any reason.
24. Do not ask for an attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court.
25. Do not apply for any Pell Grants.
26. Do not use cures that were discovered by labs using federal dollars.
27. Do not fly on federally regulated airplanes.
28. Do not use any product that can trace its development back to NASA.
29. Do not watch the weather provided by the National Weather Service.
30. Do not listen to severe weather warnings from the National Weather Service.
31. Do not listen to tsunami, hurricane, or earthquake alert systems.
32. Do not apply for federal housing.
33. Do not use the internet, which was developed by the military.
34. Do not swim in clean rivers.
35. Do not allow your child to eat school lunches or breakfasts.
36. Do not ask for FEMA assistance when everything you own gets wiped out by disaster.
37. Do not ask the military to defend your life and home in the event of a foreign invasion.
38. Do not use your cell phone or home telephone.
39. Do not buy firearms that wouldn’t have been developed without the support of the US Government and military. That includes most of them.
40. Do not eat USDA inspected produce and meat.
41. Do not apply for government grants to start your own business.
42. Do not apply to win a government contract.
43. Do not buy any vehicle that has been inspected by government safety agencies.
44. Do not buy any product that is protected from poisons, toxins, etc…by the Consumer Protection Agency.
45. Do not save your money in a bank that is FDIC insured.
46. Do not use Veterans benefits or military health care.
47. Do not use the G.I. Bill to go to college.
48. Do not apply for unemployment benefits.
49. Do not use any electricity from companies regulated by the Department of Energy.
50. Do not live in homes that are built to code.
51. Do not run for public office. Politicians are paid with taxpayer dollars.
52. Do not ask for help from the FBI, S.W.A.T, the bomb squad, Homeland Security, State troopers, etc…
53. Do not apply for any government job whatsoever as all state and federal employees are paid with tax dollars.
54. Do not use public libraries.
55. Do not use the US Postal Service.
56. Do not visit the National Archives.
57. Do not visit Presidential Libraries.
58. Do not use airports that are secured by the federal government.
59. Do not apply for loans from any bank that is FDIC insured.
60. Do not ask the government to help you clean up after a tornado.
61. Do not ask the Department of Agriculture to provide a subsidy to help you run your farm.
62. Do not take walks in National Forests.
63. Do not ask for taxpayer dollars for your oil company.
64. Do not ask the federal government to bail your company out during recessions.
65. Do not seek medical care from places that use federal dollars.
66. Do not use Medicaid.
67. Do not use WIC.
68. Do not use electricity generated by Hoover Dam.
69. Do not use electricity or any service provided by the Tennessee Valley Authority.
70. Do not ask the Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild levees when they break.
71. Do not let the Coast Guard save you from drowning when your boat capsizes at sea.
72. Do not ask the government to help evacuate you when all hell breaks loose in the country you are in.
73. Do not visit historic landmarks.
74. Do not visit fisheries.
75. Do not expect to see animals that are federally protected because of the Endangered Species List.
76. Do not expect plows to clear roads of snow and ice so your kids can go to school and so you can get to work.
77. Do not hunt or camp on federal land.
78. Do not work anywhere that has a safe workplace because of government regulations.
79. Do not use public transportation.
80. Do not drink water from public water fountains.
81. Do not whine when someone copies your work and sells it as their own. Government enforces copyright laws.
82. Do not expect to own your home, car, or boat. Government organizes and keeps all titles.
83. Do not expect convicted felons to remain off the streets.
84. Do not eat in restaurants that are regulated by food quality and safety standards.
85. Do not seek help from the US Embassy if you need assistance in a foreign nation.
86. Do not apply for a passport to travel outside of the United States.
87. Do not apply for a patent when you invent something.
88. Do not adopt a child through your local, state, or federal governments.
89.Do not use elevators that have been inspected by federal or state safety regulators.
90. Do not use any resource that was discovered by the USGS.
91. Do not ask for energy assistance from the government.
92. Do not move to any other developed nation, because the taxes are much higher.
93. Do not go to a beach that is kept clean by the state.
94. Do not use money printed by the US Treasury.
95. Do not complain when millions more illegal immigrants cross the border because there are no more border patrol agents.
96. Do not attend a state university.
97. Do not see any doctor that is licensed through the state.
98. Do not use any water from municipal water systems.
99. Do not complain when diseases and viruses, that were once fought around the globe by the US government and CDC, reach your house.
100. Do not work for any company that is required to pay its workers a livable wage, provide them sick days, vacation days, and benefits.
101. Do not expect to be able to vote on election days. Government provides voting booths, election day officials, and voting machines which are paid for with taxes.
102. Do not ride trains. The railroad was built with government financial assistance.

The fact is, we pay for the lifestyle we expect. Without taxes, our lifestyles would be totally different and much harder. America would be a third world country. The less we pay, the less we get in return. Americans pay less taxes today since 1958 and is ranked 32nd out of 34 of the top tax paying countries. Chile and Mexico are 33rd and 34th. The Republicans are lying when they say that we pay the highest taxes in the world and are only attacking taxes to reward corporations and the wealthy and to weaken our infrastructure and way of life. So next time you object to paying taxes or fight to abolish taxes for corporations and the wealthy, keep this quote in mind…

“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.” ~Oliver Wendell Holmes

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

When did I ever claim not to respect others rights?.. dude lay off the drugs..

A man who claims that evil is necessary will carry it out, the nazis, communist, and empires of the world proved that.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

It's this type of logic that explains why utopian world will never be... lmao.

Taxation is immoral, this is why.

If you do not wish to argue, don't respond. Response will be taken as a wish to engage in debate.

Originally Posted by Someone

So next time you object to paying taxes or fight to abolish taxes for corporations and the wealthy, keep this quote in mind…

“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.” ~Oliver Wendell Holmes

I am always amused by the attempts to defend extortion and theft with the fact that somebody is willing to pay for something. For if they are willing it's not extortion and theft.

Paying for government or public services has as much to do with theft as buying a CD player. It is just as ridiculous to think that the following makes any sense as it does to think that this quote by OWH means anything:

It is immoral to steal to pay for CD players.

I like to pay the electronics store. With these payments I buy a CD player.

Well good for you, buy a CD player then; that doesn't mean you get to steal CD players.

Ladies and gentlemen I present 1 thing NOT to Do if you believe in taxes:
So, you're a collectivist that believes taxes are necessary? Well, since you like you like to steal peoples money for the greater good please kindly do the following.
1. Enslave yourself to whatever figure heads you have convinced yourself embody your imaginary metahumanity.

Originally Posted by Freedom

A man who claims that evil is necessary will carry it out, the nazis, communist, and empires of the world proved that.

So you can't answer the question, I thought so.

Originally Posted by Freedom

Taxation is MORAL, this is why.

If you do not wish to argue, don't respond. Response will be taken as a wish to engage in debate.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

So you can't answer the question, I thought so.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

You may see taxes as an evil, immoral theft of property , but I see at least some taxes as a necessity to ensure the progress of a society at large. It doesn't mean I agree that taxes are good, I don't. I don't like paying taxes any more than you do, but I realize the benefit it does for all of society.

The link you posted does not support the proposition that taxation is moral. In fact it supports the opposite.

If you do not wish to argue, don't respond. Response will be taken as a wish to engage in debate.

Originally Posted by Freedom

The link you posted does not support the proposition that taxation is moral. In fact it supports the opposite.

Actually that was your link.. I just changed it to fit my opinion like you have been doing. If you do not wish to answer the questions do not reply.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

Actually that was your link.. I just changed it to fit my opinion like you have been doing. If you do not wish to answer the questions do not reply.

I know, you can't change the post I made. I have answered your questions. If you do not wish to argue do not reply.

Originally Posted by Freedom

You are free to prepare you own food with soiled hands, if you offer it to others it is implied by the trade that the food is safe to eat.

Why? your statement above goes against your own rules for freedom, one that you stated was the most important. I do not wish to be bound by food safety laws, as they interfere with my freedom. Now you want regulation, and laws that restrict my freedom not to be forced to wash my hands and be restricted and burdened by food safety regulations.

Originally Posted by Matthew S

Why? your statement above goes against your own rules for freedom, one that you stated was the most important. I do not wish to be bound by food safety laws, as they interfere with my freedom. Now you want regulation, and laws that restrict my freedom not to be forced to wash my hands and be restricted and burdened by food safety regulations.

A regulation stating what trades are permissible is immoral, however; protecting individuals from fraud is not immoral. Fraud occurs when one party is dishonest implicitly or explicitly about a trade.

If one sells food, it is implicit in the trade that the food is safe to eat. If you want to inform them that you never wash your hands and they trade with you anyway they have no claim to fraud, this is the difference between fraud and regulation.

Originally Posted by Freedom

I know, you can't change the post I made. I have answered your questions. If you do not wish to argue do not reply.

No you side stepped the questions and continue to reply with speculation and opinion without actual fact to support your position. That is not answering anything. But that's ok.. if you don't want to answer the questions that is your choice. Even in reality you still have choices.

Originally Posted by Xcaliber

No you side stepped the questions and continue to reply with speculation and opinion without actual fact to support your position. That is not answering anything. But that's ok.. if you don't want to answer the questions that is your choice. Even in reality you still have choices.

Taxation is immoral, this is why.

What questions you have posed in a clear enough manner to be recognized as questions have been answered.

If you do not wish to argue, don't respond. Response will be taken as a wish to engage in debate.

Xcaliber, you have violated forum rules
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Originally Posted by Freedom

A regulation stating what trades are permissible is immoral, however; protecting individuals from fraud is not immoral. Fraud occurs when one party is dishonest implicitly or explicitly about a trade.

If one sells food, it is implicit in the trade that the food is safe to eat. If you want to inform them that you never wash your hands and they trade with you anyway they have no claim to fraud, this is the difference between fraud and regulation.

However in your world who then holds people accountable? No taxes no government, no government, no courts, no courts no suing. No taxes no government, no government no laws, no laws you have anarchy. Our western system relies on the rule of law and the respect for the rule of law. With out government and the courts to protect the rule of law our modern western civilization is not possible. The government, the courts all rely on taxation as a means of funding and it is in everyone's best interest, the common good, that we have taxation to uphold the rule of law.

Originally Posted by Freedom

Taxation is immoral, this is why.

What questions you have posed in a clear enough manner to be recognized as questions have been answered.

If you do not wish to argue, don't respond. Response will be taken as a wish to engage in debate.

Xcaliber, you have violated forum rules
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Oh ok,, so I have broken rules that you don't seem to follow yourself.. I suppose you should now report me so you can get me banned. If you can't beat em, ban em...

Sort of hypocritical but eh, I guess if it's all you have .

Read Rule 10...

Originally Posted by Freedom

Taxation is immoral, this is why.

Originally Posted by Matthew S

However in your world who then holds people accountable? No taxes no government, no government, no courts, no courts no suing. No taxes no government, no government no laws, no laws you have anarchy. Our western system relies on the rule of law and the respect for the rule of law. With out government and the courts to protect the rule of law our modern western civilization is not possible. The government, the courts all rely on taxation as a means of funding and it is in everyone's best interest, the common good, that we have taxation to uphold the rule of law.

Well said Matthew.. but I am afraid that it won't resonate with Freedom. His Utopian World relies solely on the assumption that everyone within the society is a Moral saint who is perfectly willing to give freely without the need for a Government to step in and make any decisions . It doesn't account for human nature or corrupt individuals who refuse to follow the rules of a utopian society. In Utopian World if no one will pay then Society is forced to do without. The Best interest of each individual and the common good are not in the Utopian Vocabulary because in Utopian World it's perfectly Moral to be a Selfish , self centered human being as long as it's a personal choice to be so.. In other words a Dream World which will only ever exist in the Imagination.

And with that I am leaving this thread. If I am to be banned from this forum I would much rather be banned for discussing something concerning reality.