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Old 02-25-2010, 10:17 AM
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"Next Monday, the Maine Human Rights Commission may advise schools to allow transgender students to dress, play sports and choose bathrooms based on the gender with which they identify, rather than their birth gender.

The commission said the proposed guidance is its interpretation of the Maine Human Rights Act and reflects several rulings it has made in discrimination cases since 2005. It said the advice does not have the force of law and schools cannot be sued for not following it.

But some schools, the Maine School Management Association and the Maine Principals' Association say they take the commission's guidance seriously and worry about lawsuits if they don't follow it. They're also concerned about maintaining student safety in schools and fairness in sports if they follow it.

"We think these are problems just waiting to happen," said Richard Durost, executive director of the Maine Principals' Association. "I think it's setting everybody up to go to court."

The proposal defines transgender students as those who identify with a gender other than the one with which they were born, even if they have not had a medical diagnosis, surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

It says schools can ask for information showing a student is sincere in identifying as a particular gender if that student has requested accommodations and the school has reason to believe the student's gender identity isn't genuine. It says schools should not otherwise ask about a student's gender identity or sexual orientation.

It also says students should be allowed to choose bathrooms based on their gender identity or use an existing single-stall bathroom if they prefer."


..... "Lewiston Superintendent Leon Levesque said he's always worked to accommodate students' needs. He feels the commission's guidance goes too far and could force him to make a decision that's not in the best interest of either transgender students or the students around them.

"I guess I'm caught by surprise because I think most schools have always accommodated the specific needs of an individual," Levesque said. "But now there may be a lot of young ladies who are offended by this, who don't feel comfortable using a bathroom (with a biological boy). So what do we do with them now? What about accommodating their needs now? Or they don't matter?"

Although some school leaders believe the proposed guidance goes too far, they feel they may have no choice but to make it policy. Otherwise, they fear, they could be vulnerable to lawsuits.
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More at Guidance proposed for schools with transgender students | Sun Journal
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This ludicrious policy should be easy to challenge. Have the entire men's baseball team put on shorts and try out for the girl's softball team. I'm guessing the Title IX crowd will be having fits as a result. LOL...
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This ludicrious policy should be easy to challenge. Have the entire men's baseball team put on shorts and try out for the girl's softball team. I'm guessing the Title IX crowd will be having fits as a result. LOL...
Trans gender people especially those who identify as such at a a particular early age need some form of encouragement and support JP. Although I don't agree with the bathroom assigning personally, I can see how this policy walks a fine line.
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Trans gender people especially those who identify as such at a a particular early age need some form of encouragement and support JP. Although I don't agree with the bathroom assigning personally, I can see how this policy walks a fine line.
IMO it's yet another classic case of putting the rights of a rather small minority over those of others. Special rights, basically.
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IMO it's yet another classic case of putting the rights of a rather small minority over those of others. Special rights, basically.
IF a person is Trans gender they have a right to wear what they want on the outside to better facilitate whom they are on the inside. I never said choosing your own bathroom was a right..
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IF a person is Trans gender they have a right to wear what they want on the outside to better facilitate whom they are on the inside. I never said choosing your own bathroom was a right..
It's really more of an issue of putting the rights of one tiny minority over the privacy rights of a whole gender, basically.
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It's really more of an issue of putting the rights of one tiny minority over the privacy rights of a whole gender, basically.
Tiny minority.... Here we go..... Did you not hear me when I said already addressed the issue of the restrooms?
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Tiny minority.... Here we go..... Did you not hear me when I said already addressed the issue of the restrooms?
Yes, and I was glad to see you didn't just blindly follow the HRC, but was willing to take issue with them.
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Yes, and I was glad to see you didn't just blindly follow the HRC, but was willing to take issue with them.
Why would I blindly follow a group? Even the HRC. I see the problem from both angles...
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It's really more of an issue of putting the rights of one tiny minority over the privacy rights of a whole gender, basically.
That's exactly the issue. In order to appease the transgenders, everyone has to be made uncomfortable in the name of PC.
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That's exactly the issue. In order to appease the transgenders, everyone has to be made uncomfortable in the name of PC.
Ehh not really.... No one is agreeing here to them using whichever restroom they want, but still they have a right to wear what they want on the outside to better feel more adequate to how they are on the inside.
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IMO it's yet another classic case of putting the rights of a rather small minority over those of others. Special rights, basically.
Why is it that you oppose freedom and liberty? Are you that cruel?
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Why is it that you oppose freedom and liberty? Are you that cruel?
This from the guy that would punish people for exercizing freedom of religion, voting rights, property rights, etc. Is that a 20 year pin from the hypocrite society your wearing?
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Ehh not really.... No one is agreeing here to them using whichever restroom they want, but still they have a right to wear what they want on the outside to better feel more adequate to how they are on the inside.
I wasn't talking about the forum, I was speaking of the school.
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This from the guy that would punish people for exercizing freedom of religion, voting rights, property rights, etc. Is that a 20 year pin from the hypocrite society your wearing?
I would as long as they want to deny my freedom I want to deny thiers. I want an equal right to treat them the same way are treating me.
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