Originally Posted by gayhumanist

I don't see the need for the eyeroll. None of this is bad. It's all good from the standpoint of my original statement for this thread, in favour of inclusion.

It's not the function of our schools to indoctrinate our kids. If you think otherwise, then I pray that you never have kids.

Originally Posted by jitobear

Oh Easy isn't interested in your salvation, silly.

Besides being spiritually constipated, Jitobear, you're sadly misinformed about this too.

Originally Posted by jitobear

He just likes to make sure that we are all keenly aware of how righteous he is and how the rest of us get to burn.

Now you're being stupid. As the Bible says, "All (myself included) have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Except you. You think you're too righteous to need Christ as your Savior, so you've rejected his salvation.

Originally Posted by jitobear

He can't wait to haul out the EZ chair and and popcorn on judgement day when he just KNOWS all the poeple he has condemned will burn.

You won't burn if you and Jazy repent of your pro Sodom and Gomorrah nonsense. If you do burn it will be your own decision, not mine.

Originally Posted by JPSartre12

It's not the function of our schools to indoctrinate our kids. If you think otherwise, then I pray that you never have kids.

Indoctrinate them to get along, to treat others as they would want to be treated. Indoctrinate to not bully, to not hate, not discriminate. There's such a thing as educating the whole person and preparing them to go out into the world.

"Indoctrinate" of course is a loaded word you used. I'm not sure if we can call this indoctrination, but even if we did, it wouldn't be bad. But you know, your side always claims a monopoly on doing right by the children, even when nothing could be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by gayhumanist

Indoctrinate them to get along, to treat others as they would want to be treated. Indoctrinate to not bully, to not hate, not discriminate. There's such a thing as educating the whole person and preparing them to go out into the world.

"Indoctrinate" of course is a loaded word you used. I'm not sure if we can call this indoctrination, but even if we did, it wouldn't be bad. But you know, your side always claims a monopoly on doing right by the children, even when nothing could be further from the truth.

This is an empty discrepancy you're making here. If it's a moralistic teaching, then it's not the school's job. And clearly, making an effort to teach against discrimination, bullying, etc. involves moralistic value judgments. Don't push your morality on kids, even if it happens to be what's currently politically correct. Reading, writing, and 'rithmatic--that's the school's job.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Besides being spiritually constipated, Jitobear, you're sadly misinformed about this too.



Now you're being stupid. As the Bible says, "All (myself included) have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Except you. You think you're too righteous to need Christ as your Savior, so you've rejected his salvation.



You won't burn if you and Jazy repent of your pro Sodom and Gomorrah nonsense. If you do burn it will be your own decision, not mine.

See Jazy - just like I told you. EZ - I think I am going to make you a big batch of cookies to enjoy the show with, too. Right before I burn.

Originally Posted by gayhumanist

Indoctrinate them to get along, to treat others as they would want to be treated. Indoctrinate to not bully, to not hate, not discriminate. There's such a thing as educating the whole person and preparing them to go out into the world.

"Indoctrinate" of course is a loaded word you used. I'm not sure if we can call this indoctrination, but even if we did, it wouldn't be bad. But you know, your side always claims a monopoly on doing right by the children, even when nothing could be further from the truth.

You mean indoctrinate them in opposition to their religious beliefs? What gives the school the right to do that?

Originally Posted by JPSartre12

You mean indoctrinate them in opposition to their religious beliefs? What gives the school the right to do that?

Sorry, but if you attend a public school and your religions says its OK to terrorize gay kids, I'm afriad your religion can suck it.

The school is responsible for teaching hundreds of kids from various backgrounds in a safe environment. That means no discrimination, or bullying. It means teaching tolerance and recognizing all kinds of people. What school actually has no business doing is running around pandering to any of their students' religions.

Originally Posted by jyoshu

This is an empty discrepancy you're making here. If it's a moralistic teaching, then it's not the school's job. And clearly, making an effort to teach against discrimination, bullying, etc. involves moralistic value judgments.

It will always require effort to teach and to learn. Please explain what you mean by "making an effort", and why that's pertinent.

Originally Posted by jyoshu

Don't push your morality on kids, even if it happens to be what's currently politically correct. Reading, writing, and 'rithmatic--that's the school's job.

There's one of those right-wing loaded terms that are actually meaningless, "politically correct". It's this particular teaching against homophobia that you don't like. It's the school's job to serve a diversity of students, from different backgrounds and families and identities. Homophobic bullying, can interfere with a student's learning. As well, social studies classes deal with issues that aren't just numbers and spelling.

Originally Posted by jitobear

Oh Easy isn't interested in your salvation, silly. He just likes to make sure that we are all keenly aware of how righteous he is and how the rest of us get to burn. He can't wait to haul out the EZ chair and and popcorn on judgement day when he just KNOWS all the poeple he has condemned will burn.

Sadly I feel your right... Maybe not in the context you presented, but perhaps in attitude. It seems that his focus on mere carnality and the lack of empathy towards others whom he judges solely upon ignorance and bitter prejudice leads me to believe so.

Originally Posted by Easyrider

You won't burn if you and Jazy repent of your pro Sodom and Gomorrah nonsense. If you do burn it will be your own decision, not mine.

Easy the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was not based upon the carnality of homosexuality bur rather upon the in hospitality and prideful selfishness of the city..

I have repented of my sins and love Jesus and accept His teachings. Like I said earlier it has been a long bitter struggle with self and spirit but I know in my heart Christ affirms the love I have for my partner.