Touche' Must have been an interesting project!

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I was going to answer your previous post but have chosen not to after reading this one.

I can't believe you call that report from MSNBC anything but a "puff" piece for the homosexual lifestyle.

Referring to my belief as ignorance because its different from yours is indeed rich. And then you have the audacity to refer to others considering themelves as superior.

Regardless of your opinion of my intelligence, I assure you I am a real person.

You don't seem to understand. I don't have my hands over my ears. I disagree with your view that homosexual is normal and and should have unabstructed rights within our society.

Let me be crystal clear. If you want to be gay, then by all means be gay. But in my opinion, this country would be well served, if you did so knowing that certain restrictions would then be applied to your life, not on mine.

Earlier you stated four situations and asked my stance. I answered them sufficiently and you started playing with words. I expect you to attack my spelling if this continues much longer.

One of the problems the gay community is always going to have with people like me is your image. Lets just start with Castro street in San Francisco, "Pride Fest" in Milwaukee, the Gay District in Houston, or the filth in New Oleans. Like it or not, that is where YOUR voice is being heard from, and that IS your problem, not mine.

BTW, in the end, I will not win this arguement. Prophesy clearly states that your side wins.., for a season.

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I don't see why giving gays equal rights infringes on yours. No one is forcing you to marry a man. I am not gay but I believe in small Government(or preferably no Government), Government in no way should be interfering in the private lives of their citizens and that includes how that persons marries.

What I don't understand is that most opposition comes from so called Conservatives who believe in small government. They believe that Government should not infringe civil liberties such as gun ownership. But when it comes to comes to Gay marriage they want Big Government to enforce their personal morality into Law.

Mmm Just look at the filth and happens in New Orleans during Madi Gras. Men give beads if a women flashes her breasts in public. Do you have problem with this? What about spring break? When tonnes of college kids go to the beaches, party, get drunk and have sex. This is all done by heterosexuals.

If you believe that because of the image of Gay's in certain Cities is a reason for denying equal rights then I think we should really considering banning all marriages(straight or otherwise)

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I appreciate your post and do not mean to blow you off. Most of what you raise has been discussed thoughout this thread. If you read some of the previous posts and repost, I'll answer you directly.

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Have you ever been to the castro? its one of the most harmless places in san francisco where gay and straight get along just great. The annual castro street fair is where many people take their kids and don't go back home any worse for the wear.

I strongly reccomend you taking a field trip to any gay community (they exist in every major city) and see for yourself, ya know instead of solely deciding on cherry picked video clips and ither peoples account. You have a problem with mardi gras because of gays?

Next thing you are going to tell me is that lesbian porn should be banned because of all the lesbians who purchase it.

I can't believe you think saying "puff piece" is an intelligent criticism.
Oh wait. You aren't interested in intelligent criticism.
You're just looking for an excuse to dismiss...


Is just plain wrong.
I explained where you showed ignorance.
You refuse to honestly address what I said.


On that I have no doubt.




You call it a "puff piece"?
Why don't you do your own research for yourself?
Google information FROM THE SOURCE for people who have researched gay animals if you like.
You are looking for an excuse to dismiss gay animals, and you found a really flimsy one.
THAT is where your hands are over your ears.

Your capability to repeat *homosexual is not normal* is part of the routine where somebody repeats some nonsense as they have their hands over their ears...


"unobstructed rights"?
We should have equal rights.
Like I pointed out (and you're obviously going to duck that issue too), you are incredibly intolerant by insisting that gays should not have equal rights.
By insisting that gays limit themselves in ways that straights do not.


Why is it that people like you think that saying we can "be gay" is somehow a great favor to us?
Quite frankly, I think the fact that you throw that out there says something negative about your side...

Furthermore, don't confuse your prejudice with the interests of this country.
This country has a majority support for EVERY issue of gay equality, with ONLY one exception.
Gay marriage. That's it.
And even on that, you guys are losing ground. Several years ago, you had a two-to-one advantage.
Now, you can barely claim a majority.


I asked your stance cause I knew your claim of "tolerance" was with a bald-faced lie or your own willful self-delusion.
THAT was the point of asking those questions.
I am not "playing with words", but pointing out the reality of your position.

The fact that you cannot defend your stance is not my fault, nor my problem.


We can start with any of those.
Have you ever actually ATTENDED a pride parade?
I would guess not.

Now I agree there are SOME INDIVIDUALS who walk around and behave incredibly poorly. But they are the exception and not the rule.
The vast majority of the parade is people walking around like any other parade. Most of the parade is taken up by political groups carrying banners, or politicians / companies showing their support for gays.
People like you fixate on the people behaving badly, and refuse to recognize that it is STILL not the usual part of the crowd.

And the really funny thing about all this?
Gays are still winning.
You think that it's such a huge problem for us, but opinion polls continue to shift our way. Majority support on every issue with ONE exception, and you keep losing numbers on gay marriage.

Sounds like that "problem" ain't that big in the first place...

You know what is a "problem" for your side of the fence?
People like you incapable of actually discussing this issue, and instead just trying to insist that gays should limit our lives for your comfort level.
There's a thread around here where I keep piling on various examples of the "anti-gay" crowd who lie about gays and the issues.
THAT is a real problem for your side of the fence.


"for a season"?
If you think you're referencing the Democratic majority and waiting on a Republican majority replacement, you're deluding yourself.

Part of this population shift is occurring WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ITSELF. The Republican VOTERS are shifting to have majority support for gays as well.
There is majority support amongst Republican voters for gays in the military, ENDA, and gay hate crime legislation.

The Republican politicians cater too much to the extremists, and I think that is why they lose the votes, but that's another "tar pit" situation as the old Republicans get voted out, and newer Republicans WHO RECOGNIZE what their constituency wants get voted in.

There is nothing "seasonal" about this.

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Really?

Michelle Malkin Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district

YouTube - Castro District Gays Attack A Christian Missionary

And here's more on their allegedly harmless militance, according to you. Or do you just see what you want to see.

Militant homosexuality and anti-Prop 8 efforts Northern Thoughts And Reflections

And regarding the Castro Street Fair, sure, it's family fair all around, right!!!
Flopping Aces » Blog Archive San Francisco/San FranSicko a Decaying American City – Masturbate-a-Thon [Reader Post]

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[quote]Ok, first off, violence is bad and violent gays hurt their cause as much as violent people hurt any cause they support. However, I doubt I could come stand in front of YOUR church for 3 years (that's how long the woman said they've been going there) and demean and degrade Christianity and condemn you and your fellow parishioners without someone getting upset with me and shooing me outta there. Like any minority (perhaps one of the last truly oppressed minorities in the US) gays get touchy when they feel people are 'invading' their neighborhood. And for good reason. There is a real problem of 'gay bashing'.

Ok, your first links are about Christians going into gay neighborhoods and basically trying to convert gays from their sinning lifestyle. Now your third link is about how its the GAYS who....


Awkward!!

Ok, well...yeah not my cup of tea. But what people do behind closed doors is their business and I'm not willing to force my sensibilities on what consenting adults do.

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Answer a) If homosexuality was the norm, the majority of us would be homosexual.
Answer b) the population of people on earth would be dropping since homosexuals don't reproduce naturally.
So you think that an animal loses its native instincts when placed in a zoo? If that's the case, why are the lions still caged?

And your insistence on equating human traits to those of animals acting on instincts is absurd.

The fact that you're not the only one that engages in anthropomorphism isn't a surprise to me. Tell me, if a hard-core criminal in prison for life porks his cellmate because there are no women accessible, is he gay? Or is he being opportunistic? any port in the storm?
Again, animals don't lose their instincts just because they're in a zoo.
I've yet to see a male penguin carry a purse or wear a bolo.
They would be considered "normal" because they were exhibiting normal behavior patterns.
And your insistence in claiming homosexuality is normal and acceptable because animals have participated in homosexual acts is at least equally absurd.

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HUmm interesting I understand that you may not quite understand this but when liberty is denied people do things. Liberty is being denied by said Christians. They have put into law their disgusting religious beliefs. You should be thankful that it is stopping protests and not church burnings, lynchings, and this from American history. Boston Tea Party - MSN Encarta

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Yeah. And if left-handed people were the norm, then the majority of us would be left-handed.
It's already been pointed out that this "interpretation" of "normal" is meaningless as a standard. Just cause something is the minority doesn't mean anything significant.


Considering how over-populated heterosexuals have made this planet in the first place...

I always have to chuckle at the "if everybody was gay..." mentality.
It's an absurd argument based on an even more absurd premise.
If every organ in our body was a lung, we would all die.
We need diversity to get the human body functioning properly.

If all gays in the world turned "straight" tomorrow, overpopulation would increase.
MORE people going hungry.
MORE orphans.
MORE abortions.

There is an obvious "better" situation in a happy medium. Some heterosexuals, and some homosexuals.


Boring non-sequitur.
I'm still waiting on any evidence that animals "couple" in order to achieve protection from predators.

To put it bluntly, coupling to help against predators IS NOT a "native instinct"...


Oh wow.
Ignoring my arguments and without explanation, labeling my argument as "absurd".



And we've already been over this.
Articles CLEARLY DOCUMENT how this gay couple had females coming by to seek the attention of one of the penguins.
THEY REJECTED the attention of the female.

Seeking the attention of the same gender while REJECTING the sexual attention of the opposite gender is a clear sign of homosexuality.

Quite frankly, your "anthropomorphic" argument is meaningless.
You refuse to look at the EVIDENCE that exists regarding gay animals, and you continue to claim false conclusions on the research.


That's not even a response to what I said.
You're failing to respond.

Like I said, when people didn't know the gender of these penguins, they ASSUMED they were a male-female couple.
CAUSE THEY ACTED like a male-female couple.
Is thinking penguins are "heterosexual" an "anthropomorphic" response too???


I have yet to see a gay male do that, so you're making a meaningless comment...


And with that, you just lost.
You admit the two male penguins are not "normal".
You repeatedly argue that homosexuality is not "normal".
Yet you refuse to admit that these two were acting as gay penguins...

Suppose Chris and Pat are acting a certain way.
If I told you that Chris was a girl and Pat was a guy, you would call them straight.
If I told you that Chris was a girl, and Pat was a girl, you would refuse to admit they were gay.



Your response is absurd, cause I have made NO SUCH STATEMENT.
What is it with the anti-gay being incapable of reading and comprehending?

First of all, NORMAL IS IRRELEVANT.
There are so many different standards and definitions for "normal" that it is meaningless to use the word.
Statistical definitions. Moral definitions. Judgment definitions.
A person could be saying "gays are not normal, therefore they are wrong".
Does that mean "gays are less than 50% of the population, therefore they are wrong"???
Does that mean "gays are immoral, therefore they are wrong"???
The word leads to meaningless arguments. It DOES NOT MATTER whether homosexuality is normal.

Secondly, I have never argued that gay animals make homosexuality "acceptable".
It's the same ol' confusion on the anti-gay side time and time again that it's downright pathetic!
I said the following in the third post of this thread, and some people STILL CANNOT GET IT...

Anti-gay poster: Homosexuality is wrong cause it's unnatural.
Pro-gay poster: One way your claim is flawed is because homosexuality IS natural. Animals do it.
Anti-gay poster: Wow. You think it's okay to do something just cause animals do it???

Now anybody who can string along a cogent thought should be able to recognize that the pro-gay poster said nothing of the sort.
If a person argues "Because of A, then B", and then A is shown to be false, then the original argument is shown as false.
Such an observation says NOTHING about the requirements of "B" or even "not B".

The sad part of this? I know I've explained this here before.
And regardless of how many times I explain it, you'll find a variety of people who just can't get it....

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You'll need to support this claim that these christians went there demeaning and degrading the homosexual community for years because that is a completely false accusation which even the homosexuals never made. They sung hymns and shared the gospel while never forcing it on anyone at all.

That link is evidence of the low-life and sleazy tactics which the gay agenda exemplifies at every turn. Why is it so hard for you to see that?

See the bolded CxT? Are you trying to infuriate me with such an inane statement or are you senile and you just forgot the topic of discussion? We are discussing the Folsom street fair in the Castro District. That takes place in public, in the street, you know, in broad daylight, to start at least. But don't worry, the debauchery goes on late into the night and it just gets more perverse as the day goes on. So it should bother you that children are exposed to it. Even looking down on it from their apartments as the perversion goes by in a steady stream through out the day and night. What disappoints me most though is that apparently you can't see any of this.

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A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it destroys itself from within. ~ Durant

So religion gives your life "meaning and purpose"...
Specifically the purpose of spending 9 pages arguing about the whims of a penguin...
Is your life really that worthless?

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Just so you know, only 21 of the now 133 posts on this thread are mine. and I only have 4 pages of posts since I get 40 posts per page. So it's a lot of other people who have been arguing about these blasted Penguins also. Just so you know...

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A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it destroys itself from within. ~ Durant

Pearls before Swine, Archangel. Pearls before Swine.....

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