The problem with your approach is that people like you look at "gay" and get fixated on SEX...

OMG! Gay sex! They have gay sex! Icky! I don't like that. Ewww...


That's where you get hung up.
Do you think about "straight" as just straight sex? Do you look at a married couple and think "They're having coitus"...


To me, my relationship with my partner is about a lot more than just sex. He's my partner. We spend our lives together.
And with gay animals, it's about two animals of the same gender doing things like shacking up together and raising a kid together, whereby others do that with the opposite gender...

The gay sex is just an expression of the love we share for one another. Like straights have sex in their married lives as an expression of love.

That is what you can't grasp.

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And this is important why?

The simple fact of the matter is that wild animals engage in what we call homosexual acts, thereby deeming then natural. No one has called those acts 'good' (which you failed to recognize despite quoting a post that said exactly that). And man is an animal.

And the simple fact of the matter is AA has a irrational fear whether or not he wants to admit it.

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Except that the point is irrelevant.

That's what you called accusations that you make asinine and ignorant statements. But then again, we all know that is true. You do make asinine and ignorant statements.

Apparently you never learned to read between the lines in grade school...if you ever went to that.

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All one has to do is ask, if homosexuality is so normal, a) why aren't there more of them and b) why is the population growing and not shrinking?

Animals pair up with other adult animals for protection. I fish the same lake almost daily and have observed many relationships amongst ducks, geese and swans with babies. Swans will stay together as a nuclear family. Ducks for more loose packs and geese tend to form matriarchal groups while the young males tend to hang out together away from the families and are often driven off by the dominant females. Does this mean that young male geese are all gay? No. There are reasons that animals behave the way they do. Most of them have nothing to do with the anthropomorphic attributes that are ascribed to them. They usually boil down to mutual safety, mutual food gathering or some other basic need.

You (collective) may not have called them "good", but you have called the animals engaging in those behaviors "homosexuals". The concept of homosexual is a human construct, not an animal one. It has no meaning in the animal world.

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You obviously define "normal / not normal" by a simple "majority / minority" classification...
By which logic, red-headedness, genius IQs, and left-handed people are obviously "not normal".

Your question a) is as relevant as asking why there aren't more left-handed people.

Question b) is based on pure population growth, driving an increase in homosexuals cause there are more people.



And thus the obfuscation begins.
These two didn't have any predators in the zoo.
Can you really show any example of how penguin pairs try to help one another (based on PAIR relationship scenarios) in the wild?
No. You can't.
Cause you're just making up stupid junk at this stage to ignore what they're doing.



No.
And if you read any of the research on gays in the animal kingdom, you wouldn't make such ridiculous comments.
You aren't even on the same track as what we're talking about.
These two bonded together. They rejected the advances of female penguins.
They created a nest together, and raised a child together.

And to ignore those facts, you try to mock the idea by talking about other nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with gay animals.


Yeah.
GAY ANIMALS.
Look. I realize you prefer ignorance cause it's safe and cozy and Republican.
But it's like you're attacking the idea of what a "city over-pass" is by ridiculing a ditch.

I realize this is a futile attempt, but I'll make it anyways.
Here's one article describing SOME gay animals.
If you want to discuss it (and I know you don't), let me know.
Gay animals out of the closet? - LiveScience- msnbc.com


Penguins have no predators in the zoo.
These two decided to nest together, acting as a couple.
What you don't seem to grasp is that people typically THINK the gay penguin couples are "male/female" cause it's hard to identify penguin gender unless you get a close physical exam of the animal.
They THINK the GAY COUPLE is a straight couple cause the two behave as a male/female bonded couple would.

And by your lack of logic, you would have people go from "oh look! it's a mommy and daddy penguin" to "oh wait. they're both male? well I guess they're just doing that to protect themselves from non-existent zoo predators"...



So claimeth you, the person who refuses to look at what they really do.
Look. I realize you love to make things up to justify your view of the world. It's very convenient of you to pretend to "know" things and not seek the truth.

But if a male/female couple acted like this, THEY WOULD BE called a "heterosexual couple".
If a male/female couple bonded exclusively together, making a nest for the two of them together, and raised a child together, they would be called straight.

The fact that you refuse to recognize the same behavior between a same-gender couple as "homosexual" only demonstrates the absurdity of the anti-gay mindset.

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You won't have to.


The point I am making has to do with the fact that a teacher that makes it known that they ingage in homosexual behavior, has proven himself inept as a teacher, the same as a heterosexual teacher discussing their private life. I'm sorry that the very label, "homosexual", is also descriptive of that persons sexual behavior. That is something the homosexual should deal with, NOT the rest of society!


Check out the homeschool requirements in California. The communist left, is doing everything in thier power to see that homeschooling is no longer an option for independant thinking Americans.

We do Homeschool our kids, but why did I have to take that exteme measure, when I am still in the majority?

I'll answer that for you. Political Correctness, that's why. You ride your high horse talking about "tolerance" but you forget, or are not old enough to remember when beating the snot out of "dopers" and "homos" was considered "good sport".

PC has prevailed and from the pulpits of christian churches it has been taught over the last 30 years to be "tolerant" and to "hate" the behavior, not the person.

Contray to popular belief, christians opened the closet, gays didn't break out.

You are obviously NOT a parent.

When I said "I love this stuff", I was referring to confronting bigotry on the left.., I don't know how you took it.

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I'll give you the "UK cigarette" criticism. I let my anger get out of hand about something related to the topic, but not these posts.

I used "willy's" because I didn't know this site would allow me to use "dick" in a post, as I have read in posts since I was last online.

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OK.., we're not allowed to use the scriptures as a "proof" or reference point, yet you want me to give you a motivation for what God may or may not have done.



1) I support any persons right to serve in the military. I do NOT support an individual's right to serve "because" he is gay. IOW, I do NOT believe you have the right to serve when you state, "I am gay and I want to serve in the military" I believe "don't ask don't tell" is the perfect compromise.

2) NO I do not support gay adoption.... that is the whole point. If two gays want to raise a child then let them create one.

3) Again "don't ask, don't tell" I have worked with and hired many gays and lesbians, (more than 15 if you need a number). They were hired for thier qualifications, NOT because of sexual orientation. I have chosen NOT to hire a few people because their sexuality was put up front as if it were some type of qualification.
As far as "housing protection" I have no experience with it and no opinion at this time.

4) Civil Unions? I don't care. Personally I think the whole stink about gay marriage is about forcing society to accept homosexuality as mainstream. I don't know what advantages are gained by the title "marriage" being attached to a civil union other than that.


I have limited my life because gays want to feel better...., but I don't expect you to understand that.

Point conceded.


NO. It means that those listed are assumed to behave normally. The truth may be that Michelle is more frigid than antarctica. However we don't know that...., as it should be.

I have never "announced" that I am straight. I don't have to because the marriage I am in, is accepted as normal by the majority of our society.

You will not accept that homosexual behavior is not normal, you believe that it is not deviant behavior. You have that right.

I am convinced that it is abnormal, and that it is deviant behavior. Based on eyewitness testimony to the existance of Jesus. Scriptures that also testify to the same, that were written in 66 separate books over a 1600 year period of time by many different authors, that plainly state that the practice of sexual homosexuality is an "abomination".

That is my right.

Your right to "announce" your sexual preferences does in fact infringe upon mine.

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Incorrect, what I said was that wild animals have been observed to engage in homosexual behavior.

And this is relevant how? (I keep asking and you keep failing to answer, why is that, do you enjoy the taste of failure?)

The point is the notion that homosexual behavior as we understand it is not limited to man. Therefore it is natural.

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What a JOKE!!!

MSNBC?? Get real. And you criticize the scriptures???

This was nothing but a puff piece for homosexuality. 24 words in, the insistance on tolerance begins. I wasted my time reading about animals that "display" homosexual behavior. It could be argued that a sandlot football game proves the same thing..., give me a break!

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I had rats once that I was using for a science project. They were all male. They also had gay sex in the cages. So I can definitively say that homosexual behavior is indeed found in nature.

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I have to question how you can "definitively" make such a statement. I'm not saying that I know one way or the other, however caged animals hardly imitate nature.

Example; prisons. I don't think I would volunteer to refer to a recently released inmate as a homosexual to his face, regardless of his exploits behind bars.

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Well, we'll call them Bi-Sexual if that'll make you happy lol. My point is, rats (part of nature) will have homosexual relationships. Not all of them did but several participated.

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Yeah. I didn't think you had an answer to that one...


1) "to serve 'because' he is gay"???
You obviously understand little about the situation.
People don't want to serve "because" they are gay.
Do you think straight people want to serve "because" they are straight?
Gays want to serve in the military for the same reasons that straights want to serve in the military.

2) So you support gays to be forced to serve in silence.
To serve in a situation that straights obviously don't have to dream of...
Demanding that the object of your prejudice not reveal who they are is not "tolerance".


Again, a clear lack of tolerance.
Furthermore, an absurd standard.
Many straight couples adopt cause they can't "create" a kid.
I would wager your standard is glaringly one-sided...


Considering a lot of places have laws against asking such questions in the first place, I find your claim of such knowledge quite amusing...
Regardless, I didn't ask about "hiring" them.

I asked about legislation to prevent employers from hiring / firing discrimination based on sexual orientation.
You didn't answer the question.



When straights get married, do you think it's about getting society to accept them?
Gays want to marry for the same reasons that straights do.
It's your paranoia and refusal to see gays as regular as straights that lead you to absurd assessments.



I would love to see you elaborate on that...


And you don't know about the sex lives of most gay people either.
Just knowing we're gay doesn't tell you how often we have sex.

Ever hear of "lesbian bed death"?


Why are you throwing the fact that you're married in my face?
I didn't ask you if you were married, did I?
< end sarcasm >

The problem is your hyper-sensitivity to gays. Insisting that we don't share info that heterosexuals share each day.
If a heterosexual says "I'm married. My wife's name is Karen", you guys don't mind that.
But if a woman says "I'm married. My wife's name is Karen", you freak out.
These are your problems.
Not mine.


Meh. What is "normal" and why is it so important?
Some people define "normal" by percentages. Majority is "normal".
Some define it by what they want to be socially acceptable.
It's an opinion.


Yeah.
And it's immoral to touch pig-skin.
And it's okay to own a slave.
And genocide is ordered by God.
And if there aren't enough women to go around in your polygamous village, God says it's a good idea to go into a nearby country and kill their men and non-virgin women, and take the remainder for forced spouses...

I know all about your bible and its morality.
I laugh at the idea that you think it's a legitimate source of morality.



You have yet to give any rational explanation as to how it does.
You presume to have more rights than gays do. More rights on freedom of speech. More rights in a wide variety of areas.

You don't like it? I got no sympathy for those who complain about having their imagined rights being violated, as they espouse discrimination upon gays...

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You're shooting the messenger.
They're just repeating the observations of others.

I knew you weren't interested in education, but to ignore the issue so blatantly is absurd.
No matter.
Your ignorance is being surpassed by real people's education in the rest of the world.

While you stick your hands over your ears and insist you don't want to listen, society changes around you.
The dinosaurs stuck in the tar pits will not be missed...

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