Did I ever tell you that this kind of politically-correct attitude goes down in flames the first time a red-necked gay-despiser in the miltary has a six pack? You going to stand toe-to-toe with him and tell him he's a sick human being? Well, if you do, just make sure you call home first and tell them to break your plate, because you won't be eating there anymore.

Kill him? I don't know. Punch him out? Sure. Cripple him? Perhaps. You ready to risk all that?

As opposed to a scalding case of subjective moral relativism?

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There is no gay marriage in the state where I am and nobody except the spiritually-challenged are missing it. And gay marriage is not a constitutionally protected right. That's just wishful thinking from the looney left.

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I'm gay.
I've served in the Navy.

Quite frankly, I think your response is absurd. If a Christian were to stand in a Muslim neighborhood, say "I'm Christian", and get beat up, we would all recognize that as wrong.

But for gays in the military, people encourage gays to capitulate to the people would resort to violence in the face of their own prejudice...
I would think some people would label that as "moral relativity"...

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Then there's the other problem. To God gay sex is a sin and an abomination. In the OT one guy (Achan - Joshua 7) sinned and 36 of his fellow comrades died. Whether you believe it or not, sin (gay and straight) causes problems in military units, and you don't need gay sex to compound things.

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So if any of the military guys swear or cheat on their wives or are Jewish, would you think THAT would risk the lives (or "cause problems") in the military unit????

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Wow, what a stimulating argument we have here!

I don't see how people who claim to be conservative can argue so forcefully that people's private lives should be scrutinized by the govt. or whomever. I can't see how a Christian can so blatantly attempt to force their beliefs on others when it's clear how they'd feel if Jews tried to force them to be pork free or Muslims tried to outlaw the Cross.

As a conservative/libertarian, I identify with the gay cause because I understand that having separate rules for different people is bad. Because I see that using the power of govt. to rule over beliefs/speech/consenting adults in their own homes is dangerous to our freedom. Live and let Live is a conservative idea...don't be a hypocrite. Think about it.

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You would certainly have the support of Mr. Conservative himself, Barry Goldwater.

Who is this "God" to whom you refer? Is he a general? A senator? Did he write the constitution? Isn't killing a sin, too? And therefore, isn't the entire nature of an army about sinning?

Or is it only a sin if your enemy does it?

Killing in defense of a Nation isn't a sin if the cause for the killing is founded on righteous principles. And if they aren't, then God will hold the leader(s) responsible for the wrongs committed by their soldiers who were only following orders.

As for the individual soldiers, if they have a conscious sense that what they are doing is morally and ethically wrong, yet they happily commit known atrocities with pleasure and joy, then God will also judge them accordingly based on them personally enjoying doing that which they knew was morally wrong.

But to make a blanket statement that all killing is wrong according to God is naive and erroneous. Murder is always wrong, but certain crimes are worthy of death to those who participate in such atrocities. You need to learn the difference between killing and murder.

I am not a Christian and I completely support gay rights, gays being able to marry and serve openly in the military.

That said, I hate misinformation. I am pretty sure the commandment is "thou shall not committ murder" not "thou shall not kill". Carry on.

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There's no hypocrisy. Gay sex is a sin and an abomination, and sin elicits the disfavor of God on men and nations. Maybe that would come to a neighborhood near you!

Imagine you're one of the straight guys in Sodom and Gomorrah when it goes down. How do you like gay sex then?

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Have you never read Romans chapter 13? It clearly states that the government is established by God and is an agent of wrath on evildoers. That would include Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Saddam Hussein when he was alive, etc. So sending evildoers to their just reward is justice, not murder.

And the God of the Scriptures is the Creator of the Universe - the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

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Cool. The god of YOUR scripture is the creator of YOUR universe. But where does he fit in with the constitution? I see a "creator" mentioned, but it is clearly not defined as the god you mention. And where - in the constitution - is there anything written about sin?

Clearly, we can't look to the Ten Commandments to help us figure out what is LEGAL sin and what is ILLEGAL sin. I mean, if we're going to adhere to the Bible, shouldn't we review the Top 10 hits?

• Thou shalt have no other gods before me. hmmm...not illegal. What I like about this translation is that it actually accepts the idea that there are other gods! The god these nice Jews follow needs a lot of ego-stroking, however.

• Thou shalt not make graven images. hmmm....not illegal

• Thou shalt not use the Lord's name in vain. ....still not illegal! G-dammit!

• Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. I'll remember that - but I'm heading out to Target now.

• Honor thy mother and thy father. And who's going to arrest me if I don't

• Thou shalt not kill. AT LAST - SOMETHING WE AGREE ON! (and depending on the translation and the appearance in the bible, yes, this is sometimes called murder, but it's not how we learned it in Sunday school!

• Thou shalt not commit adultery. Let's ask Newt Gingrich about this one.

• Thou shalt not steal. Bravo! Or should I say brava?

• Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. It's a nice idea, but unless it's in a court of law, I really can if I want.

• Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's property. There is this house down the street? It has the most amazing swimming pool. And the gardens! And let's not forget those cars parked out front.

Well, us grizzly gays didn't even make the finals! So - considering that these top 10 sins aren't codified into constitutional law, why then, should we select this one example of sin?

You see, honey, the idea of sin, and the nature of sin, is specific to the individual. Most Protestant churches would even say that we are not to judge others' sins, but focus on our own.

So - to get back to this topic: there is nothing to be afraid of. Gay couples are getting married in 4 states now. Your house didn't collapse, and the sky didn't fall. Maybe you should just sit back with your pile of stones and wait for the right moment to cast them: when you are without sin. In the meantime, tax-paying citizens with households and families to protect MUST BE TREATED EQUALLY.

How hard is that?

Listen all of you religion is not genetic and it is only a choice. So why if religion is not genetic and is only a choice is it given the same protections race is given?

If we can protect religious practice and freedom which is a choice then we can protect sexual orientation which is not a choice.

There is no Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu genes. Religion is a choice that has to be taught yet all of them and the freedom to practice them is protected under the law.

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Can you prove that homosexuality is genetic Matthew? Be warned that it has been debated extensively here. Here's the thread. Does anyone here deny that God made gays gay?

So once again you use a red herring as a basis for coming to a conclusion which is fallacious.

Religious faith may be genetic : UMNews : University of Minnesota

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science...ores_god_gene/

God gene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia