Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

Let them gain it. The Israelis have bigger guns. More targets.

More dead people... That`s seems to be your sollution to everything. And when the next intifada hits, the Israeli and Palestinian civilian casualties will mount up to thousands. But I guess that doesn`t matter either. As long as some terrorist scumbags are killed, right?

Originally Posted by Eddie

More dead people... That`s seems to be your sollution to everything. And when the next intifada hits, the Israeli and Palestinian civilian casualties will mount up to thousands. But I guess that doesn`t matter either. As long as some terrorist scumbags are killed, right?

You are not reading my posts. I do want large body counts of -- (repeat after me) TERRORISTS. Get it? Terrorists. That's a very good thing -- to kill terrorists and lots of them.

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

You are not reading my posts. I do want large body counts of -- (repeat after me) TERRORISTS. Get it? Terrorists. That's a very good thing -- to kill terrorists and lots of them.

Problem is... there is always collateral damage (both in body counts, injuries and personal losses)...

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

You are not reading my posts. I do want large body counts of -- (repeat after me) TERRORISTS. Get it? Terrorists. That's a very good thing -- to kill terrorists and lots of them.

And so you are in favour of driving ever more people to take up terrorism so that you can kill them? You are one very sick man.

Originally Posted by Clive14

And so you are in favour of driving ever more people to take up terrorism so that you can kill them? You are one very sick man.

Well, if they are inclined to take up the terrorism business, better that we get about the business of killing them then. You are really one foolish man if you think that they will bypass you because you apologize and excuse their actions. You can only feed the crocodile for so long before he turns on you. Evidently you need to learn that lesson.

Originally Posted by Eddie

Problem is... there is always collateral damage (both in body counts, injuries and personal losses)...

That's right. And surprise, surprise, we are in a war -- WWIV specifically. That happens. Wars are supposed to kill people and break things. But we didn't start this war. The terrorists did and we will be the ones to finish it on our terms; not theirs. You don't have the right to control my fate. I support our great president because he is doing what is required. We may yet get to make his face the fifth on Mount Rushmore.

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

That's right. And surprise, surprise, we are in a war -- WWIV specifically.

War with who? The terrorists? Who are the terrorists?

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

Wars are supposed to kill people and break things.

Yeah. That is why wars should be avoided unless absolutly necessary...

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

But we didn't start this war.

And that makes it right to kill innocent, and when doing it, creating more enemies until you have truly gone to war with entire peoples and nations? And then the real killing can begin, no?

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

The terrorists did and we will be the ones to finish it on our terms; not theirs.

Then you should make everything possible to avoid a so called "war of civilizations". Because that is precisely what the islamo-fascists wants.. As far as I see it, your precious president has played their game from the get go.

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

You don't have the right to control my fate.

Just as little right as you or your president have to control my fate, or the fate of some poor innocent iraqi.

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

I support our great president because he is doing what is required.

Yeah, i have noticed that

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

We may yet get to make his face the fifth on Mount Rushmore.

How does that mount rushmore thing work? Is it some kind of comitee who decides, is it congress or is it popular vote?

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

Well, if they are inclined to take up the terrorism business, better that we get about the business of killing them then. You are really one foolish man if you think that they will bypass you because you apologize and excuse their actions. You can only feed the crocodile for so long before he turns on you. Evidently you need to learn that lesson.

Anyone can be driven to terrorism in the right circumstances. The French resistance commited plenty of terrorists acts, including against collaborating civilians. When terror is the only weapon you have in a war, terror is what you will use. I'd be very surprised if your attitude to terrorism held up if the US were ever occupied, by China for example. Perfectly ordinary people are driven by anger and desperation to commit terrorist acts. I know it comforts you to think of them as sub-human, evil "others", but the fact is that the average terrorist is all too human, and otherwise all too normal.

Originally Posted by Jo Bennett

Anyone can be driven to terrorism in the right circumstances. The French resistance commited plenty of terrorists acts, including against collaborating civilians. When terror is the only weapon you have in a war, terror is what you will use.

I'd be very surprised if your attitude to terrorism held up if the US were ever occupied, by China for example. Perfectly ordinary people are driven by anger and desperation to commit terrorist acts. I know it comforts you to think of them as sub-human, evil "others", but the fact is that the average terrorist is all too human, and otherwise all too normal.

That scenario, the other shoe, has constantly been presented to posters seeking comfort in rationalizing 'terrorists' as evil, wrong nationality, wrong belief system, ideology, etc. When a mind is closed, if it was ever open, any reference to logic is a waste of time. In college and business we identified them as slow learners, valuable in business for their ability to clutch at an abstract comfort level, the American Dream was perfect, and used as drones.

Originally Posted by Eddie

War with who? The terrorists? Who are the terrorists?

Yeah. That is why wars should be avoided unless absolutly necessary...

And that makes it right to kill innocent, and when doing it, creating more enemies until you have truly gone to war with entire peoples and nations? And then the real killing can begin, no?

Then you should make everything possible to avoid a so called "war of civilizations". Because that is precisely what the islamo-fascists wants.. As far as I see it, your precious president has played their game from the get go.

Just as little right as you or your president have to control my fate, or the fate of some poor innocent iraqi.

Yeah, i have noticed that

How does that mount rushmore thing work? Is it some kind of comitee who decides, is it congress or is it popular vote?

If we were to rely on Europeans to control our fate we would be signing our death warrant. Europe failed in two world wars to keep the peace. They would have failed during the Cold War if not for American resolve and military power. They would certainly have failed in the war on terrorism if not for Bush who stepped up to the plate and did what was required.

Mount Rushmore is reserved for the truly great presidents who made a difference in our country's history. They are Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. All were far seeing, wise and consequential presidents. No one was hated more than Lincoln during his time in office and he is seen by virtually all historians as our greatest president. Bush will be kindly seen by future historians as they see how he changed the dynamics in the Middle East so that we don't have to go to bed every night wondering when the terrorists of the world would obtain that nuclear warhead or other WMD that would have cost the lives of millions of innocents.

Ah yes, the Great Neocon dream, historical vindication through propaganda.

Originally Posted by Symbiote

Ah yes, the Great Neocon dream, historical vindication through propaganda.

It's tough when you can only issue assertions like the above when you can't debate the facts.

Originally Posted by Missouri Mule

It's tough when you can only issue assertions like the above when you can't debate the facts.

That is a fact.