It appears that the French don’t have any problem bullying Muslim women………well almost.

__________________
I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

It's a country where an openly fascist party came second in a Presidential election within the last decade. What do you expect?

__________________
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
“It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
"We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

Sarko himself is a little right-wing bully.

__________________
" ... It's not as though he proved anything, he only refuted my evidence. ..." Archangel 04.01.09

" ... this egregiously ignorant christian ... Archangel 03.09.09

“Probably the toughest time in anyone's life is when you have to murder a loved one because they're the devil.”

That's probably because of militant, left wing, moral-relativist jarheads.

__________________
"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." (NASA Astronomer Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers, p. 116.)

Our women have to respect their culture when they travel to an Islamic country by wearing a Burka. They should respect our culture by taking them off when they come over here.

__________________
"A gun is a tool, Marian. No better, no worse than any other tool. An axe, a shovel, or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

Shane

"If you talk to God you are religious. If God talks back you're delusional."

Dr. House

Do you even know what a Burka is? No western person is required to wear a burka when travelling abroad. Hijab, yes possibly, but not a burka.

__________________
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
“It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
"We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

My mother managed to travel through Iran with just a head scarf, covering hair not not the face.

Personally, I'm torn. If a woman wants to wear something, I want her to be able to. Even if it's a burqa. However, the wearing of a burqua can also be forced upon a woman, or NOT wearing one can be seen as immoral behavior. In this case, I want the state to help her to be free to chose.

Now, as a temporary measure, to drive home the idea that you can't force your wife or daughter or sister to wear a burqua, I would support the prohibition, provided it's understood that it's a temporary measure that will be removed eventually once the idea that women can be forced to wear one is driven out.

I doubt anyone can predict whether the prohibition would achieve this effect, though. It could just as easily backfire, with the muslims, male and female both, feeling under attack and seek safety in tradition.

If you make wearing a burqua optional, that really isn't giving muslim women a choice. If they choose not to wear one, they are seen as immoral. What kind of choice is that?
IMO, France is actually doing the right thing. Ban burquas and it will force muslims living in the West to respect Western laws and individual rights for all. If they don't like it, go back to the sand and watch camel races while you starve to death. I could care less.

__________________
I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

And words like those are why in spite of being here, the muslims cling together, seeking protection from the surrounding world that is, in their perception, "after them".

Counterproductive is the word, IIRC.

Maybe if they didn't treat their women as slaves, we'd have a different opinion of them. But, as long as they're in OUR country, they can abide by OUR laws or go the Hell home! I see no reason to coddle any ethnic group that refuses to assimilate into our culture.

__________________
I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

A lot of Muslim women who wear hijab of some sort or another were born in the west (I don't know any who wear the burqa, it's pretty rare), where exactly are you suggesting they go back to? Last I checked there wasn't a lot of sand in Blackburn or Birmingham.

__________________
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
“It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
"We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

You forget, I live near the largest population of Muslims outside of the ME, Dearborn, Michigan. They even have loud speakers on the street blaring their call to prayer 5X day, IIRC. I routinely see Muslim women in full black burquas...in the dead of the summer heat even. Of course, the males are walking around in comfortable clothes, the littlke B@#$%^ds!
And very few of them can trace more than one generation maximum from the sandbox.

__________________
I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

Colours showing through, JP...

Are you sure you mean burqas? Burqas are generally found in Afghan culture, if your local Muslims are from the middle east, chances are they're wearing jilbab and niqab rather than burqa, particularly if it is black. Also, you've pulled that XXXX with the largest population of Muslims outside the middle east before, and it's simply untrue.

__________________
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist” - Helder Camara
“It is not the will of God for some to have everything and others to have nothing. This cannot be God” - Oscar Romero
"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder" - Einstein
"We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him" - CS Lewis

Well, not being a metrosexual like yourself, if I see nothing but slits for eyes, I think burqua.
And I've provided you the proof before!

__________________
I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)