LOL...Nicely Said...

Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Well setting aside for the moment your extremely sweeping generalisations and the accuracy thereof, in overall terms what is your PRACTICAL solution?

Don't you know? The solution is going to come from science and technology. Industrial Society has promoted science and technology as the magic cure for all problems. Let me explain with the help of an analogy.

A person is being stabbed repeatedly at regular intervals - every hour.

Some people are trying to save the victim.

The sane way to save is - you first stop the attack – you prevent the attack.

What these insane people do - they allow the attack to be continued. They don’t stop it -- they don’t prevent it.

Instead, what they do - They say we are going to save the victim by using technology - the best technology - the best medical care.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

They give the victim the best technology - the best medical care.
In the meantime the stabbing continues – every hour – even while the best medical care is being given.

One can imagine the fate of the victim.


Ecosystems are getting destroyed due to production of consumer goods.

Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]

Industrial society is destroying necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

The sane way of saving ecosystems is - you stop production of consumer goods - you reduce production of consumer goods to the minimum level.

But the insane Industrial Society continues producing consumer goods [ in fact production is being increased every day]

The insane response of Industrial Society is - We will save the environment with technology - the best technology.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

In the meantime production of consumer goods continues - 3 billion people living in cities are continuously engaged in - making , buying and selling of consumer goods - killing the ecosystems moment by moment.

One can imagine the fate of environment.

Height of Insanity.......Height of Abnormality.



For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

So when are we moving to a new home ?

Next year - or 5 years later ?


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

I wonder, when man lived a simple life, a life only concerned with putting food on the table, where did he get the table and the food?

Didn't he kill animals and cut down trees to provide these things?

The problem with your thinking is you separate human beings from nature, as if they exist outside of nature and are not actually a part of it. However, human beings are as much a part of nature as anything else - birds, plants, trees, animals. Humans are animals. Everything we do is natural. You can take a computer, a plane, a tv, a cell phone, any piece of of technology - and break it completely down into elements that occur naturally.

In fact, it was nature itself that allowed the evolution of the human brain, which led to the discovery and subsequent creation of technology. Human beings are the absolute height of nature, the closest to biological perfection that nature has produced thus far. You could say that human beings are the inevitable consequence of nature. Perhaps there will be even greater human evolution in the future. To challenge the existence and behavior of human beings is to challenge nature itself.

And who are you to judge nature?

Well put.

I'd also argue that to not evolve technologically would cause the premature death of billions of people. Improvements in medical technology, food, transportation, waste treatment, manufacturing all contribute to longer life expectencies.

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Pre-industrial societies destroyed ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Society is destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter and thousands of consumer goods.

Does one have to do research for 100 years to know which society is causing more destruction of ecosystems?


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Mr. Genius,
What about the life span of millions of other species that have been decimated by man? What about the lifespan of ecosystems that have been destroyed by humans? What about the lifespan of forests that have been cut down by humans? What about the lifespan of fish that have vanished from oceans? What about the lifespan of underground water that has been pumped out? What about the lifespan of clean rivers, lakes and oceans that have been poisoned by thousands of toxic chemicals, oil spills and millions of tonnes of plastic? What about the lifespan of Arctic ice and glaciers that have melted?

Do you even understand what the issue is?

The issue is not which life is better - the issue is which life is sustainable. The issue is destruction of ecosystems.


The two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism. Science and Technology is responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.


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What about the devastation caused by forest fires, the millions of species that became extinct as the result of volcanoes, the Ice Ages. Oh wait, they were OK because they were "natural".

There's a compassionate soul for you. It's OK for millions of humans to die due to disease, bacteria and viruses, but don't dare run over a snail darter with your Godless car.

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I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

The devastation caused by forest fires, volcanoes, ice ages are local and isolated and have no where near the impact of devastation by widespread humanity given over totally to greed because they've all become corporate zombies.
You are so totally with God on this, Sartre.

After all, God had absolutely nothing at all to do with the creation of a "snail darter," but absolutely everything to do with the creation of the car.

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Say what?! The Ice age was local? And volcanoes are local? what was it that caused the Ice Age?
You're comparing a lowly snail darter to a 1969 Camaro SS? Blasphemer!!!

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I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)

I've watched Mark and Ollie on their "Living with the Mek" television show. Hands down, I'll take my broken mind and 'dirty' water...all day!

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Priceless!

That is right. Moreover we have little control over natural disasters. The current ecological disaster is man made.


This crazy society did not anticipate "Financial Collapse" until it actually happened.

This crazy society is not going to anticipate "Ecosystem Collapse" until it actually happens.


The way this insane, abnormal and criminal society is running is like :

A car running in a closed garage.

Adding extra floors to a building by removing bricks from the lower floors.


The crash - the collapse - the end is coming.

It is a matter of one or two decades at the most.


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well if we lived before the industrial revolution, I'd be either a slave or a slave owner...wait no I wouldn't, I'm 34 which means I'd probably have pass away by now...ahhhhh the good ol' days!

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-Computer $1500.00
-Monthly internet connection $35.00
-Monthly electricity bill $245.00
-Convincing a Socialist that incentive is the mother of motivation,

Priceless!

I bet you're a blast at parties, either with or without Kool-aid.

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I'll keep my guns and my money. You can keep your "Change".

"We had the machine scared and scrambling, and for them it is just the beginning of an election year filled with surprises. They will be challenged again and again across this country. When there's trouble in Massachusetts, there's trouble everywhere -- and now they know it." Senator Scott Brown (R MA)