Oh really? Here's a list of 31,478 American scientists that disagree with the "consensus"
Global Warming Petition Project

From that site:

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The Guardian is nowhere near as far left as the Daily Mail is right. Try the Morning Star or Socialist Worker for comparable bias. Monbiot himself is fairly lefty, but he's still correct.

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We probably could, but since he isn't a leftist alarmist, he would never be considered for the position by the powers that be.

It's not my job to prove or disprove a scientists facts. Strangely, that is the job of the scientist. I do appologize if the data I posted from the USGS and the CDIAC are not as credible as your YouTube video.

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Absolute rubbish. Its every bit as leftie bias as the Mail is bias to the right.
You cant see it because you believe the rubbish it pumps out.

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

Just a reminder, I am already on record of stating that man can and probably does have an affect on global temperatures. (see here) "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" is a fundamental law of scientific thinking, after all.

That said,...

I have yet to see any studies on the Earth's ability to self regulate or to completely absorb or neutralize environmental fluctuations.

And so,... I'm still a long LONG way from buying the "sky is falling" paranoia being crammed down our throats by elitists who have nothing but disdain and contempt for anyone who dare question their scientific methods or data.

That sort of contempt only fuels my own scepticism and I'm confident it fuels others as well.

And so I have many questions that I would want answers to, before I will ever buy into the "we are nearing the point of no return" "the end is near" hysteria we are being bombarded with.

1: Simple Question; "how much ice would have to melt (current thinking) to result in the catastrophic flooding that so many are worried about? I haven't seen Big Al's movie so forgive me if it's in there.

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Something smells!

What's amazing is that global warming hysterics consider "argument from authority" to be a "reasoned argument".

The only "scientific" evidence a skeptic will be provided with is this:

A lot of government funded scientists with a vested interest in promoting global warming believe in global warming, therefore end of discussion.

And then they wonder how people can fail to be convinced...

Sit back and watch TV 24/7 (outside of the XXXXXX on Fox) and you'll believe fervently in global warming. Do some research and you'll have big doubts. Then begins the abuse, as the same vested interests yell at you for being an ignoramus and not blindly following whatever they shove down your throat.

"An American scientist I know suggests that these books and websites cater to a new literary market: people with room-temperature IQs"

So one scientist calls those who disagree with him XXXXXX, while the author of the piece you link to accuses them of suffering from some sort of psychological defect imagined by a 1970s anthropologist. How compelling.

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Look in a mirror. The word is "biased".

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Anybody want to debate AGW against me? I'll take the "you're full of doodoo" position and you can take "the Sky is Falling" position.
I'm serious about the debate; we can work out the exact resolution.

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Bias is a term used to describe a tendency or preference towards a particular perspective, ideology or result, when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective.[1]. In other words, bias is generally seen as a 'one-sided' perspective. The term biased refers to a person or group who is judged to exhibit bias. It is used to describe an attitude, judgment, or behavior that is influenced by a prejudice. Bias can be unconscious or conscious in awareness. Having a bias is part of a normal development. Labeling someone as biased in some regard implies they need a greater or more flexible perspective in that area, or that they need to consider more deeply the context.

You are wrong as usual.

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

Snakespit will debate you JP, he seems to believe in the AGW propaganda he posts around here. Oh wait, he may not want you to prove he's full of doodoo. Oh well, back to the ole drawing board.

Thank you for volunteering me Archie. It's certainly not your place to do so, but hey...would I expect less?

I pretty much consider what we have been doing here as debate. I have never and will never engage in a "formal" debate, as I really see no need. I post here for fun, to educate myself (and others on occasion), and to learn about different points of view. You can ask me any questions here that you can in a formal debate. I don't consider this to be a contest, merely a chance to present and defend points of view. As long as 2 people honestly believe what they are saying, there are no winners or losers.

And just to be clear:

1. I do believe what I have posted. Why do I believe it? Because I have taken the time to read, research, and educate myself. Believe it or not I used to think "global warming" was a bunch of hoodoo, until I took the time to actually learn about it. It is up to each person to examine the evidence and decide for themselves. If you take a position without fairly considering all of the evidence, you are only cheating yourself.

2. You cannot prove that I am full of doodoo, just as I cannot prove that you are full of doodoo. You may believe that I am wrong, and I may believe that you are wrong, but in the end, neither of us can prove it. I'm not here to prove anything. If you can prove that global warming is false, I will be the first to admit I was wrong. Good luck.

3. I don't run around here saying that the sky is falling. I am not paranoid about global warming in any way, shape, or form. I don't believe that global warming is going to effect me during my lifetime in a significant way.

4. I believe that humans will eventually be gone from the earth, whether by our own actions or some sort of catastrophic natural disaster. The earth will heal itself, and life will go on. I however do not believe that this in any way means that we should not be good stewards of the earth while we are here.

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Asked how he reconciles that realization with the wonkish content of the book, Gore at first seems stymied. But then, when I prompt him, he points to pages on the spiritual dimension of climate change, the idea that God gave man stewardship over the earth, and that preserving it for future generations is a sacred obligation. Then he opens his laptop to show a commercial by his Alliance for Climate Protection, in which the Revs. Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson make an odd-couple plea for "taking care of the planet." Gore allows that he's been tailoring the slide-show training he gives to faith-based volunteer groups. "I've done a Christian [-based] training program; I have a Muslim training program and a Jewish training program coming up, also a Hindu program coming up. I trained 200 Christian ministers and lay leaders here in Nashville in a version of the slide show that is filled with scriptural references. It's probably my favorite version, but I don't use it very often because it can come off as proselytizing."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/220552/page/2


Ladies and gentlemen the cult of global warming

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From:Kevin Trenberth U.S climate expert.
Date:Mon,12 Oct,2009

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
(In an email debate over a BBC report on the apparent dip in global warming since 2001)

I respect your position. Formal debates aren't for everyone and this one has been far more civil than most free-for-alls.
As you probably have guessed, AGW is an issue that I have done my research on and have found the populist opinion to be nothing more than Chicken Littleism. There is no scientific consensus and its major proponent, the IPCC, is one of the most corrupt pseudo-scienticic organizations in the world.
If you do nothing else WRT this topic, read how the IPCC functions, how its reports are generated, etc., It is a politically-, not scientific-driven organization.

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Well, that would depend on what you call catastrophic.

Simple answer

And I didn't see Gore's movie either, as I have no interest in watching that bloviating drag queen talk about anything.

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