Well geesh! Palin can see Russia from her house.

Maybe she was smuggled over to the old Russia (U.S.S.R.) and taught the tools of Marxism.

Originally Posted by foundit66

But in Alaska, Palin is the envy of governors nationwide for the annual checks the state doles out to nearly every resident, representing their share of the revenues from the state's oil riches. She boosted those checks this year by raising taxes on oil.

McCain campaign spokesman Taylor Griffin said Thursday that spreading wealth through Obama's tax plan and doing it through Alaska's oil-profit distribution are not comparable because Alaska requires the state's resource wealth to be shared with residents, but it's not taxing personal income.

"It's how the revenue is shared between the oil companies and the state."

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In Alaska, residents pay no income tax or state sales tax. They receive a yearly dividend check from a $30 billion state investment account built largely from royalties on its oil. When home fuel and gas costs soared last year, Palin raised taxes on big oil and used some of the money to boost residents' checks by $1,200. Thus every eligible man, woman and child got a record $3,269 this fall.

She also suspended the 8-cent tax on gas.

"We can afford to share resource wealth with Alaskans and to temporarily suspend the state fuel tax," she said at the time.

Much as Obama explains his tax hike on the rich as a way to help people who are struggling, Palin's statement talked about the energy costs burdening Alaskans:

"While the unique fiscal circumstances the state finds itself in at the end of this fiscal year warrant a special one-time payment to share some of the state's wealth, the payment comes at a time when Alaskans are facing rising energy prices. High prices for oil are a double-edged sword for Alaskans. While public coffers fill, prices for heating fuel and gasoline have skyrocketed over the last six months and are now running into the $5- to $9-a-gallon range for heating fuel and gasoline across several areas of the state."

In an interview with The New Yorker last summer Palin explained that she would make demands of a new gas pipeline "to maximize benefits for Alaskans":

"And Alaska we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs."

The Associated Press: Fact Check: Palin's Alaska spreads its wealth

But please...
Everybody? Let's just IGNORE John McCain's part in this "bailout" and how he helped to "socialize" the banks.
It's not the neo-con way to apply your own standards to yourself...

Let's just IGNORE Palin's own limited actions as governor and her direct statements.
It's "Obama's socialism" we should all be concerned about when he reverses the tax favoritism that Bush and other Republicans have set up for the upper crust. :rolls

The level of your dishonesty is absolutely mind boggling foundit. Either that, or you are totally ignorant of what socialism is. I suspect your side is just being dishonest though because I know you aren't stupid. Alaska's oil-profit distribution program takes the money which Oil Companies pay it for every barrel of Alaska Oil they remove and returns that income to the people of Alaska who are the true shareholders of the States Natural Resources. These payments are not comparable to socialism at all because Alaska requires the state's resource wealth to be shared with residents, but it's not taxing personal income.

Name for me any socialist system which returns government money back to the people rather than the other way around? True socialism would keep that money and not even apply it towards the individuals tax bill for credit that it was their money originally, and they would tax the people anyway.

The dishonesty of this article is understandable, knowing how low the ethical standards of the Extreme Left is, but what should embarrass you is that you are dishonest enough to promote such a twisted and inaccurate interpretation of socialism as you infer that Alaska is practicing it at all..

She hasn't redistributed ALL the wealth, she owns three houses....

So, the resources are owned by the people, this ownership is facilitated by the government which gives some of the proceeds direct to the people as cash. See, to me that sounds exactly like a communist system - the people elect a government to organise the use and distribution of resources held in common. And that's great, I wish that more countries had managed to put together this set up. Imagine how much better off the DRC or South Africa would be if it managed to get companies to pay it a fat chunk for every diamond or ounce of gold they pulled out the ground. The alternative is what has been seen in South America and Africa - multinational corporations buy up land use in perpetuity and pay little or nothing to the host government, countries are asset stripped for no benefit to the population, and this is what has caused the Bolivarian revolutions in South America. The US government howled when Venezuela aimed to profit from its oil wealth in the same way Alaska has.

Originally Posted by Jo Bennett

So, the resources are owned by the people, this ownership is facilitated by the government which gives some of the proceeds direct to the people as cash. See, to me that sounds exactly like a communist system - the people elect a government to organise the use and distribution of resources held in common. And that's great, I wish that more countries had managed to put together this set up. Imagine how much better off the DRC or South Africa would be if it managed to get companies to pay it a fat chunk for every diamond or ounce of gold they pulled out the ground. The alternative is what has been seen in South America and Africa - multinational corporations buy up land use in perpetuity and pay little or nothing to the host government, countries are asset stripped for no benefit to the population, and this is what has caused the Bolivarian revolutions in South America. The US government howled when Venezuela aimed to profit from its oil wealth in the same way Alaska has.

I'm glad you brought up Venezuela because it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. When Chavez Nationalized it's Oil Industry, an American Oil Company, (Shell, I THINK) pulled out of the Country. And is Chavez returning a percentage of the Oil revenues to his citizens in the form of a check? Not on your life. It goes into the National coffers and is going to build up the military. THAT'S SOCIALISM. What is happening in Alaska, and has happened there since Oil was first drilled there back in the 80s I might add, (Palin didn't create this concept or this fund) isn't socialism at all. It is redistribution of Alaska's natural resource revenues to its rightful shareholders, the citizens of the State.

Actually an awful lot of Venezuela's oil wealth is going into providing healthcare and education, something Alaska maybe ought to think about. And it's still socialism, whether people choose to elect a government to spend that money for them or distribute it evenly among them. Your definition of socialism seems to be if it's done by someone you don't like, it's socialism, if it's done by someone you do like, it can't be socialism.

Originally Posted by Archie

The level of your dishonesty is absolutely mind boggling foundit. Either that, or you are totally ignorant of what socialism is.

Archie, repeatedly you just don't get what is actually going on...
What Obama is talking about is NOT socialism.
The point, for those who think that Obama is socialist, is that THOSE SAME STANDARDS would also criticize McCain and Palin...

For some reason, you don't understand "satire"...

socialism:
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
What Obama is talking about regarding the adjustment of TAXES (not government ownership) is not "socialism".
IMO, Palin's actions described above are not "socialism".
I am amused that you try to criticize me regarding "socialism"...
Just out of curiousity, do you correct your fellow religious right-wingers who inaccurately try to label Obama as "socialist"?

To post something else I am sure you will not understand...

Palin's Movement Urges 'Godly' To 'Plunder' Wealth of The 'Godless'

Sarah Palin endorser Bishop Thomas Muthee, in a speech he gave before blessing and anointing Sarah Palin as a political leader, on October 16, 2005 at the Wasilla Assembly of God, laid out the current agenda of the New Apostolic Reformation - how "God's kingdom" needed to "infiltrate" seven sectors of society. Muthee listed most of them: business and finance, schools and education, media and entertainment, politics and government.

Muthee also stated "The Bible says the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. Sarah Palin was in the audience. Minutes later, she was anointed, and blessed, with the laying on of hands.

Thomas Muthee is an internationally known celebrity in the New Apostolic Reformation and a personal friend of the movement's head, C. Peter Wagner. In June 2006 Wagner proclaimed that "God has declared through His prophets that the wealth of the wicked will be released to the Kingdom of God," and declared, threateningly, "the enemies' camp will be plundered."

The New Apostolic Reformation is not a small movement: an apostle of C. Peter Wagner, one of the 500 apostles in Wagner's International Coalition of Apostles, owns what will be one of the tallest buildings in the world, the Jakarta Tower. One of the NAR's branches is successfully supplanting the Catholic Church in Brazil. The movement holds international conferences on advancing Christian hegemony in the business sector [link to PDF].

At the end of this post I've added the nine minute video in which Thomas Muthee urges "infiltration" of key sectors of society and then blesses and anoints Sarah Palin as a political leader. In other videos I've also added, leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) describe and promote the same agenda for Christian theocratic takeover as did Muthee: the The Seven Mountains Mandate, in which seven key sectors of society are targeted for takeover.

Two top leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation, directors of "Spiritual Warfare" networks who hold other high level positions in the NAR are now definitively tied to Sarah Palin: at her entrance into politics at 24 and her emergence onto the national stage, as Alaska governor, in late 2006. There is considerable circumstantial evidence for the case that Sarah Palin is still in Mary Glazier's prayer warrior / spiritual warfare network.

A new 36 page report ( read online / PDF file / some of the highlights of the report ), from an independent research team that has specialized in studying Sarah Palin's faith, contains ground breaking information on a religious movement Sarah Palin is tied to and which advocates that its members "plunder" the wealth of the "godless".

Bruce Wilson: Palin's Movement Urges 'Godly' To 'Plunder' Wealth of The 'Godless'
Hey. If we modify Obama's plan from "redistributing the wealth" to "redistributing the wealth of the *godless* to the *godly*, will the Republicans agree?
:rolls

Originally Posted by foundit

Archie, repeatedly you just don't get what is actually going on...

Oh I get it just fine foundit, and my info is based on facts, not slanderous and imaginary lies that pulls a line out of a Pastors sermon and attributes it to Sarah Palin as a life mission statement. The dishonesty which you represent is reflected in every aspect of your personal world view, so I'm not surprised that that same dishonesty is projected through all of the anti-christian propaganda you spew. Here are some undeniable facts regarding his pro-socialist beliefs.

Odinga Made A Deal with Kenyan Muslims to Institute Islamic Law; Obama Campaigned for Him
[Update: As a reader pointed out, Sharia is an assault on women.]

The video below tells a shocking story of Barack Obama’s involvement, while a US Senator, in the Presidential campaign of Raila Odinga.

Now that Obama has acknowledged having had Kenyan citizenship, it’s time to take another serious look at his recent campaign activities on behalf of Kenyan presidential candidate Raila Odinga, a Muslim sympathizer and leader of the socialist Orange Democratic Movement.

We review the Obama-Odinga campaign collaboration with this central question in mind: As a former Kenyan citizen, does Obama’s open involvement in Kenyan presidential politics raise troubling questions about his loyalties? Apparently Obama traveled to Kenya on official business as a US Senator; the trip was funded by US taxpayers. Odinga’s policy positions were against stated US interests.

Odinga, running on the slogan “Agent of Change,” lost the race for President of Kenya in December 2007 and thereafter led a campaign of widespread ethnic warfare in protest of his loss.

In August 2007, Odinga had signed an agreement with Islamic extremists to institute Islamic Law should he be elected President of Kenya, and he vowed to end cooperation with the United States in the war against terror. WHY did OBAMA actively campaign for him?

The TD Blog initiated a review of the Constitutional problems related to Barack Obama’s dual citizenship. His activities in Kenya illustrate how dual citizenship can create divided loyalties and thus disqualify a candidate for Commander-in-Chief of the United States. [Incidentally, this is also a clear-cut violation of the Logan Act -- see our article in the Reference List at the end.]

This central question is now being litigated by Philip J. Berg. Whether or not Berg’s case prevails on the procedural issues of standing and jurisdiction — the issue of dual citizenship must eventually be reviewed by the federal courts. In the event that Obama gets elected, I predict that this legal problem will ultimately end his presidency. What a shame that he’s been so secretive and deceptive about his past. By the way, in case you are unfamiliar with our work, led by in-house researcher and scholar “Judah Benjamin,” we maintain that Obama’s Indonesian citizenship could still be active.

Why Did Obama Campaign for a Pro-Islam Candidate in Kenya? [UPDATE] td blog

YouTube - Barack Obama in Kenya supporting Raila Odinga and Violence
Watch the video. It’s 8 minutes long. The first 6 minutes give an excellent overview of Odinga’s bid for President and his socialist background. Obama’s role in Odinga’s candidacy begins at approximately 6:20. It is truly stunning and something that every American voter MUST SEE:

Now, I realize I'm wasting my time even attempting to reason with the likes of you foundit, but let me ask you a question in order to send this message home. If I was running for a public office and asked you to campaign for me in the gay community, would you do it for me since we agree on absolutely nothing regarding your definition of what gay rights are compared to my definition? Of course you wouldn't do anything to help me, whom you believe to be a philosophical enemy, to gain a public office which I could use to work against your interests.

Yet you wont apply the same rationale to Obama as he endorses and campaigns for his socialist and pro islamic cousin. Why would Obama ever campaign for Odinga unless he agreed with what he represented? The answer is, like you, he wouldn't. Now come on back with your typical claims that I just don't get it as you prove your hypocrisy, double standards and lack of consistency once again as you deny what you have seen with your own eyes.

Originally Posted by Archangel

Oh I get it just fine foundit, and my info is based on facts, not slanderous and imaginary lies that pulls a line out of a Pastors sermon and attributes it to Sarah Palin as a life mission statement. The dishonesty which you represent is reflected in every aspect of your personal world view, so I'm not surprised that that same dishonesty is projected through all of the anti-christian propaganda you spew. Here are some undeniable facts regarding his pro-socialist beliefs.

To point out the obvious to the rest of the viewing public, Archie is currently involved in COMPLETELY IGNORING EVERYTHING that was just pointed out about Palin's "socialism".
He can't touch the subject.
He wants others to IGNORE the subject, ergo he is trying to change the subject...

He throws out some flimsy accusations about "dishonesty" and "anti-christian propaganda", but the truth is that there is NOTHING dishonest here, at least on my side.
I am quoting WHAT THESE CHRISTIANS SAID. Since when is accurately repeating what other people say somehow "propaganda".
Furthermore, I am NOT saying that ALL or anywhere near "most" Christians behave like this. The truth is that the VAST MAJORITY of Christians would be appalled by the statements made above.

But one thing should be pointed out.
The fact that that type of Christianity is rare, and that Sarah Palin SOUGHT IT OUT anyways, says something...

Originally Posted by Archie

Now that Obama has acknowledged having had Kenyan citizenship, it’s time to take another serious look at his recent campaign activities on behalf of Kenyan presidential candidate Raila Odinga, a Muslim sympathizer and leader of the socialist Orange Democratic Movement.

Too much of this anti-Obama is incessantly recycled, despite the fact that it has already been debunked...
snopes.com: Barack Obama and Kenya Connection
Fight the Smears: Smear-master Corsi peddles more lies about Barack and Raila Odinga

I can't help but note that this has ridiculously little to do with "socialism", and a lot to do with an attempt to change the subject and smear Obama.

Foundit, Archie cannot help his lying ways. It might be part of his DNA.

Do you even know what Factcheck is?

First, this is an attempt to divert attention from Obama's Marxist principles. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sounds nice, but doesn't work.
Second, I though you knew who "fact"check's sugar daddy was. But to help...

Twisted, corrupted minds! Tsk! Tsk!

Inability to deal with facts!

Originally Posted by simone

Twisted, corrupted minds! Tsk! Tsk!

Inability to deal with facts!

You didn't read the link, did you.

Once again, this entire thread is just an attempt to divert attention from Obama's Marxism. It worked out dandy for North Korea, China, and the USSR, didn't it? If Osama gets in, welcome to the UASR.

Originally Posted by Ethmi

You didn't read the link, did you.

Once again, this entire thread is just an attempt to divert attention from Obama's Marxism. It worked out dandy for North Korea, China, and the USSR, didn't it? If Osama gets in, welcome to the UASR.

Lol. You think that dictatorships with class societieswere Marxist?

Wait, should I be surprised by such idiocy?

Have you read what McCain said about his mortgage plan? That's far more Marxist then Obama.