Originally Posted by antonia

Well, I agree with you to some extent, there. At least, in the shorter term. But this is also one reason why it makes little sense, to me, to blame Nader for the Democrats' self-inflicted problems.

Now, both Democratic candidates' presence in the general election will (unlike Nader) do much to alter that. Where I think the Clinton campaign demonstrates more dignity and awareness. After all, they have not waged a primarily anti-Obama campaign, the way the Obama campaign has waged a fundamentally anti-Clinton campaign.

I imagine if you have a ticket with either leader, and without the other, many of their constituents, if they don't vote at all, or go with McCain (more disappointed Clinton supporters will do that), or the more liberal Nader, will just write-in the sentiments of what the other side's campaigners were arrogant enough to dish.

Regardless of what the *Party Elites* think they can dream up, while keeping themselves clean of the fire in the trenches.

If anyone is running a fundamentally anti-Clinton campaign it's Hillary. People don't like her for a reason. I don't care for her. It's not sexist or whatever other nonsense that you and others seem to think. It's her personality.

Originally Posted by sinjin

If anyone is running a fundamentally anti-Clinton campaign it's Hillary. People don't like her for a reason. I don't care for her. It's not sexist or whatever other nonsense that you and others seem to think. It's her personality.

Oh please. Whatever you may personally think or feel, or however it suits your interests to rationalize this for your candidate, it's politics. The bottom line is that many in the Obama campaign -- mostly the more privileged white supporters -- have thought they could exploit a fundamentally right hate campaign against Clinton. And do so regardless of hurting the people whose interests she represents. Because those persons, being more vulnerable in certain respects, meant they could get away with it. But it's obvious they can't. We're moving further into the twenty-first century, dear.

As for who doesn't like who -- plenty of people don't like McCain and plenty of people don't like Obama and plenty of people don't like Nader etc etc ad naseum.

As far as that poll is concerned that I just pasted from, Clinton and Obama are in exactly the same place nationally, relative to McCain. So start thinking twice, Obamites.

Hillary, Girl, this one's for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ogb3...eature=related